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Dogs

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Expand and improve citations: Akita (dog), American Bully, Artois Hound, Azawakh, Barbet (dog), Basset Fauve de Bretagne, Bavarian Mountain Hound, Bearded Collie, Beauceron, Berger Picard, Black and Tan Terrier, Black Norwegian Elkhound, Border Collie, Border Terrier, Bouvier des Ardennes, Bouvier des Flandres, Braque du Bourbonnais, Brazilian Terrier, Briquet Griffon Vendéen, Brittany (dog), Bullenbeisser, Bull Terrier, Ca de Bou, Cairn Terrier, Cardigan Welsh Corgi, Campeiro Bulldog, Central Asian Shepherd Dog, Chilean Terrier, Chow Chow, Colombian Fino Hound, Corsican Dog, Cretan Hound, Croatian Sheepdog, Czechoslovakian Wolfdog, Danish Spitz, Dingo, Dobermann, Dogue Brasileiro, Dunker, East Siberian Laika, English Cocker Spaniel, English Foxhound, English Toy Terrier (Black & Tan), Erbi Txakur, Estonian Hound, Estrela Mountain Dog, Finnish Lapphund, Flat-coated Retriever, French Bulldog, Galgo Español, Gaucho sheepdog, German Hound, German Shepherd, German Wirehaired Pointer, Glen of Imaal Terrier, Gordon Setter, Great Dane, Greek Harehound, Griffon Bruxellois, Guatemalan Dogo, Gull Dong, Halden Hound, Hamiltonstövare, Hanover Hound, Havanese dog, Hokkaido (dog), Hovawart, Ibizan Hound, Icelandic Sheepdog, Indian Spitz, Irish Setter, Irish Terrier, Irish Water Spaniel, Istrian Coarse-haired Hound, Jagdterrier, Jämthund, Kai Ken, Karakachan dog, Karelian Bear Dog, Karst Shepherd, Keeshond, Kokoni, Kooikerhondje, Koolie, Kuchi dog, Kuvasz, Labrador Retriever, Large Münsterländer, Lucas Terrier, Magyar Agár, Miniature Bull Terrier, Miniature Fox Terrier, Mongrel, Mountain Cur, Northern Inuit Dog, Norwegian Elkhound, Norwich Terrier, Old Danish Pointer, Old English Bulldog, Old English Sheepdog, Pastor Garafiano, Pastore della Lessinia e del Lagorai, Patterdale Terrier, Pekingese, Perro Majorero, Peruvian Hairless Dog, Petit Basset Griffon Vendéen, Pharaoh Hound, Plummer Terrier, Plott Hound, Polish Greyhound, Porcelaine, Portuguese Water Dog, Pudelpointer, Rajapalayam dog, Rat Terrier, Saarloos wolfdog, Sabueso Español, Saint Miguel Cattle Dog, Šarplaninac, Schipperke, Serrano Bulldog, Shikoku dog, Skye Terrier, Sloughi, Slovak Cuvac, Small Münsterländer, Smithfield (dog), Smooth Collie, South Russian Ovcharka, Spanish Water Dog, Standard Schnauzer, Swedish Vallhund, Tatra Shepherd Dog, Terceira Mastiff, Thai Bangkaew Dog, Tibetan Mastiff, Tibetan spaniel, Tornjak, Weimaraner, Welsh Hound, Welsh Terrier, West Siberian Laika, Westphalian Dachsbracke, Xoloitzcuintle, Xigou
Stub class articles in need of development: Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog, Argentine pila dog, Armant (dog), Assyrian Mastiff, Banjara Hound, Billy (dog), Braque Dupuy, Bruno Jura Hound, Bulgarian Scenthound, Ca Rater Mallorquí, Calupoh, Campeiro Bulldog, Can de Chira, Cane Paratore, Cantabrian Water Dog, Chortai, Córdoba fighting dog, Denmark Feist, East European Shepherd, English Shepherd, Faroese Sheepdog, Gończy Polski, Grand Griffon Vendéen, Gull Dong, Hanover Hound, Hygen Hound, Japanese Terrier, Kaikadi (dog), Kars dog, Koyun dog, Kunming dog, Kurdish Mastiff, Levriero Sardo, Mahratta Hound, Majorca Ratter, Maneto, Markiesje, Molossus (dog), Montenegrin Mountain Hound, Rampur Greyhound, Romanian Mioritic Shepherd Dog, Sapsali, Sarabi dog, Schweizer Laufhund, Segugio Maremmano, Segugio dell'Appennino, Sinhala Hound, St. Hubert Jura Hound, Taigan, Tatra Shepherd Dog, Tazy, Toy Bulldog, Treeing Cur, Vikhan Sheepdog, Westphalian Dachsbracke, White Shepherd
Suggested Featured Articles due for re-assessment: Beagle (2007)
Suggested Good Articles due for re-assessment: Swift fox (2008); Cavalier King Charles Spaniel (2009); Clumber Spaniel (2009); Russian Spaniel (2009); Sussex Spaniel (2009)
Requested images: Briquet de Provence, Denmark Feist, Erbi Txakur, Jeju dog, Kaikadi (dog), Kars dog, Koyun dog, Levriero Sardo, Liangshan Dog, Perdigueiro Galego, Segugio dell'Appennino, St. Hubert Jura Hound, Tarsus çatalburun, Tibetan Kyi Apso, Vikhan Sheepdog, Villanuco de Las Encartaciones

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Added Fading puppy syndrome

I've done a quick redlink fix by adding the Fading puppy syndrome article, but it probably needs some help both in content and styling. I'm only recently returned to active Wiki-ing, and have very little real knowledge of canines, so some help in refining this article would be appreciated. :) - Kenneaal (talk) 11:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Scope of portal

Northamerica1000, before now this portal has effectively been confined to domestic dogs, it appears you are broadening that scope to include wild canids. If that is your intention, then I suggest we look at changing the name of the portal to Portal:Canines. Cavalryman (talk) 00:12, 4 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

@Cavalryman: That's an idea. I was thinking about utilizing the theme of WikiProject Dogs here, where it states atop it's main page, "WikiProject Dogs, a wikiproject dedicated to improving Wikipedia's articles relating to the family of mammals known as the Canidae and commonly referred to as "dogs", of which the domestic dog is but one of its members."

However, upon consideration, it actually seems best at this time to limit the portal to domestic dogs. As such, I have removed Dire wolf and Golden jackal from the Selected articles section for the time being (diff). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:32, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes we broadened the scope of WP:DOGS some time ago, since it is project space we didn’t think it was necessary to rename the project. I wouldn’t be adverse to broadening the scope of the portal, it may remove some of the Western (European/North American) bias seen in the content. Cavalryman (talk) 00:39, 4 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

@Cavalryman: Well, for now, I already have a rather full plate improving the portal under its current scope. Expanding the scope means more time, energy and work. Need more time to ponder too. I guess I'll leave it at that for now regarding the formation of an opinion regarding this matter. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:59, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that most people visiting the Dog portal will be looking for domestic dogs. That their wild cousins already appear in some sections of the portal content is a bonus. (Nor did we rename WP:DOGS to WP:CANINES.) William Harris (talk) 05:27, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Portal improvements

Recent portal improvements include:

Overhauled portal with modernized wiki markup using transclusion from articles to display content, which provides readers with current, up-to-date information. A consensus approving the usage of transclusion templates in portals was formed at this Village Pump discussion.
Many high relevance new article selections have been added, including Featured-class and Good-class articles.
A new general images section is now present.
A new image banner atop the page was added.
A new topics section was added.
Additional updates, cleanup and layout changes have been performed. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:30, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Portal link image

At the WP Dogs talk page here (perm link), there has been discussion about changing the image/graphic that appears in portal links. This can easily be performed at Module:Portal/images. Below is a synopsis.

The image that was in place for some time is the low-resolution, low quality and blurry File:Aussie-blacktri.jpg.

File:Aussie-blacktri.jpg

To improve the quality of the image, I replaced the above with File:Dobermann handling.jpg.

File:Dobermann handling.jpg

At the Dog WP talk page, another user objected to this, and the notion to add File:Dog Paw Print.png was brought forward, so this was then added to replace the dobermann image.

File:Dog Paw Print.png

Later at the Dog WP talk page, a user objected to the paw print image. So, for the time being, I have reverted the image back to the File:Aussie-blacktri.jpg image (diff).
As I stated at the WP Dogs talk page discussion, an idea is to use an icon, such as those here at Commons.
Ideas about how to move forward are welcome here. Pinging those at the WP Dogs talk page discussion who were involved in the portal's link image: @LoraxJr, Kusma, Certes, and Cavalryman:. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:05, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, I think the pawprint is better than either of the other options on offer, a similar option is File:Dog.svg which is used at Template:Dog-stub. As suggested by Kusma here, I too think icons for the dogs portal within dog articles is an unnecessary distraction and a simple link would be better. Courtesy ping to other members of the discussion at WT:DOGS Justlettersandnumbers & William Harris. Cavalryman (talk) 04:09, 4 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

The "portals icon" might represent WP:PORTALS, but it certainly doesn't represent anything dog-related. I am against both the paw-print icon and the "scottie-dog" icon, because these are human representations and not a dog (in the biological sub-family sense). I have no position on the deployment of either a link or an icon. William Harris (talk) 05:18, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that no image is probably best. Link is enough, it is in a box, so it is visible for the users anyway. Any picture with a particular breed of dog is inadequate because does not represent other non-related to it articles. The paw is sort of universal, but still looks like a sticker in a kids book. I suggest no picture just link, or if all the other users agree there should be a picture, then a paw. LoraxJr 06:41, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As I said elsewhere, a main purpose of the icon is to distinguish Portal:Dogs from other pages. The best choice depends on context. If it's alongside other portals, we need an image to suggest dogs; if it's alongside doggy non-portals, we want an image to suggest portals, such as the puzzle piece icon. (Nothing so far is specific to dogs; I'd make the same point about cats or Canada.) Pictures of actual dogs look good when occupying most of a PC or phone screen but aren't ideal at 36×27 pixels. A distinctive silhouette of a dog would identify it well amongst other portals. The pawprint also works but might be mistaken for a different animal. Certes (talk) 10:19, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I also think File:Dog.svg (below) would be fine, as per Cavalryman's comment above. Some like the paw image, and some don't. Perhaps users may agree on something else. Most portals use an image, so it may be odd that the Dogs portal omits one in favor of a generic (and boring, in my opinion) portal puzzle icon, or having no image. Pinging all involved at this point: @LoraxJr, Kusma, Certes, Cavalryman, and William Harris: North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:33, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

File:Dog.svg

Here is my preferred option: It may need to be cropped to bring it further into the foreground, but the contrast is nearly the same as the above image - and it is a real dog. William Harris (talk) 09:01, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

File:Black Labrador Retriever - Male IMG 3323.jpg

That works for me. Below is a cropped version I published at Commons. This cropped version is now my #1 choice, and it's a real dog. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:09, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

File:Black Labrador Retriever - Male IMG 3323 (cropped).jpg

Support cropped black Lab, I was going to suggest it myself. Cavalryman (talk) 09:33, 5 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Support Those editors who frequent the Dog article, including interested members of WP:DOGS, went through a consultation process recently to derive the new montage of breeds that appear in the infobox of the Dog article. The ubiquitous Labrador Retriever was chosen for "centre-stage". William Harris (talk) 10:31, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done It's been over a week, and consensus is for File:Black Labrador Retriever - Male IMG 3323 (cropped).jpg to be used. Module:Portal/images/d has been updated accordingly. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:54, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]