Talk:1988–1994 British broadcasting voice restrictions/GA1
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Reviewer: Ritchie333 (talk · contribs) 10:19, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
As I've already read and commented on the article, and personally remember the ban, I'm happy to review.
General
[edit]- No problems with external links or disambigs. Brilliant.
- Is there any reason you picked the Sinn Féin offices as the lead infobox picture? In my view, a picture of Gerry Adams, by far the most obvious indication that the ban was happening to the average person, would be better. The BBC seem to agree, as their source here shows a picture of him in the foreground. File:Gerry Adams reading into mic.jpg might be a good candidate, as it shows him publicly speaking.
- Done.
Background
[edit]- Can you confirm that the entirety of the first paragraph is cited to the BBC source? I'm struggling to find where it states that the major British television networks were specifically required to stop or delay broadcasting - it does mention "high profile struggles over particular programmes" in relation to Real Lives but not much else.
- Added ref from Moloney and slightly reworded sentence. Should cover it now.
- The Moloney source states that it was specifically Thatcher who demanded the footage of the Corporals killings - worth specifying this? There's a quotation from The Independent in that source that could also be used.
- Done.
The ban
[edit]- The article states that the ban extended to all republican and loyalist groups, plus Sinn Féin, but the BBC source states 11. Because we rely on verifiability, not truth, I'd prefer to go with exactly what the source says.
- The ban actually covered ten organisations and Sinn Fein. This Guardian ref should cover it.
- If the ban was discussed in the house of Commons on 2/11/88, there will be a log of it in Hansard - the link is here and might well be worth using as an additional source. IMHO Hansard is a brilliant source for mining direct quotes and opinions from MPs, and it goes back to the 19th century.
- Done.
More later. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:19, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
- Marmaduke Hussey, Chairman of the BBC, called the ban a "very dangerous precedent" - a direct quotation needs a citation.
- Done.
Implementation
[edit]- Can you clarify exactly where in the Moloney source cites that the ban was retrospectively applied to archive material?
- Added note with quote from text.
- The BBC source commenting on the IRA's food spokesman's opinions on sausage rolls being banned as "This demonstrated the surreal nature of the restrictions." is probably worth weaving into the article (if it's not implicitly obvious!)
- Added extra sentence with Welch's quote.
Lifting of regulations
[edit]- Link to the Hansard transcript of John Major reviewing the ban in November 1993 with Jill Knight here. Already sourced to the Irish Times, but this direct link makes verification easier.
- Done.
- "Conservative MPs wanted more rigid restrictions" - the source given explicitly states it was "Many Conservative backbenchers and Unionist MPs", and this might be worth clarifying.
- Done.
- Hansard link for Major upholding the ban in February 1994 here - also refers to Gerry Adams' visit to the US around this period which was dubbed in the UK but nowhere else
- Done. Couldn't find a mention of upholding the ban, but added it as a source for Adams' US visit. Mention of maintaining the ban may be in the next day's Hansard as it appears to have been announced on 4 February, but I haven't found the corresponding page. Can you help?
- I think the sentence starting "The UK ban was lifted" wants to go in a separate paragraph - it's a definitive point in the whole story and deserves to stand out.
- Done.
- "On the same day Major announced that ten minor roads" - the source given just says "roads" and mentions they were all specifically in County Fermanagh. I thought it might be something to do with the George Mitchell Peace Bridge (source), part of the major road from Cavan to Enniskillen, but that was destroyed in 1972 and not restored until 1999.
- Done. I've seen another source that refers to them as "rural roads", though a rural road isn't necessarily a minor one, I guess.
Images
[edit]- No copyright problems.
- File:John Simpson.jpg might be worth adding to the "Analysis section" with his quote about how the ban affected his work.
- Done.
Lead
[edit]- Sometimes known as the "Broadcast ban" or "Northern Ireland Notice" - these two terms are not cited, and not mentioned again in the article's body with a cite.
- Removed. Tony Hall refers to it as the "Northern Ireland Notice", but I haven't seen the name used elsewhere.
GA Checklist
[edit]- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a (reference section):
b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
- a (reference section):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- a (major aspects):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):
- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
- Pass/Fail:
I don't see any significant problems - fundamentally this article meets the GA criteria. I'll put it On Hold just so the last few issues can be resolved. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. Everything addressed now apart from the Hansard thing. Let me know if you can get to it. I also recall the ban, though I have to confess I was unaware of the more surreal aspects of it until I started work on this article. Thanks again. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:54, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think the Hansard issue is relevant to passing GA - possibly for FA, but as it stands the information is cited inline to a reliable source (The Independent 5/2/94) and marked in the "References" section, which meets the GA criteria, so I'm happy to say this is a Pass. Well done. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:21, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- Fantastic. Thanks again for reviewing this. Paul MacDermott (talk) 10:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think the Hansard issue is relevant to passing GA - possibly for FA, but as it stands the information is cited inline to a reliable source (The Independent 5/2/94) and marked in the "References" section, which meets the GA criteria, so I'm happy to say this is a Pass. Well done. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:21, 4 July 2013 (UTC)