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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Alcoholic beverage was copied or moved into Standard drink with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

Text and/or other creative content from Alcoholic beverage was copied or moved into Alternative psychoactive alcohol use. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Move logs: Alcoholic beverage
Alcoholic drink

Discussions:

RM, Alcoholic beverage → Alcoholic drink, Moved, 18 August 2016, discussion
RM, Alcoholic drink → Alcoholic beverage, Moved, 29 August 2022, discussion

Title of the article should be changed from Alcoholic drink to Alcoholic beverage

The title of the article needs to be changed from "Alcoholic drink" to "Alcoholic beverage". The word "drink" when used as a noun typically refers to a specific type of alcohol that is poured into a glass. "Beverage" is a more generic term that applies to bottled alcohol that is stored on shelves or tables.Anthony22 (talk) 18:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fully concur. The discussion above reveals that the participants were clearly unaware of the contexts in which both terms are properly used. Also, because of that subtle difference in meaning, the two terms are deployed at different levels of formality (i.e., different registers). This is the English Wikipedia in which we use formal written English, not the Simple English Wikipedia. --Coolcaesar (talk) 18:20, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Does anyone disagree?

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(talk) 19:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do, absent additional information. See what Merriam-Webster [1] and the Cambridge Dictionary [2] list as the definitions of drink. Beverage is the term for generic consumable liquid while drink is generally associated with alcohol. -- Vaulter 20:17, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Vaulter: You're proving the point - we're calling it an 'alcoholic beverage"', meaning 'alcoholic' is right there in the term. We're not simply arguing between 'drink' and 'beverage'. By your standard, 'alcoholic drink' is a redundant, like 'ATM machine'.

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(talk) 20:31, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

3-to-1 is consensus enough, and there's no argument for the current title. I am going to move the page.

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(talk) 14:17, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 August 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Closing early under WP:SNOW. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 08:26, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alcoholic drink → Alcoholic beverage – Talk page consensus on new title. $ɱ$ (talk) 14:18, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Dr. Vogel (talk) 16:40, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ɱ Given there's been some discussion, this should go through a formal WP:RM process for closure as per WP:PCM. -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Only one person objected and didn't even come back after weeks to defend their statement. I don't want to take even more time with a formal RM, after it's take 3 years to even get enough comments! The consensus is clear as day.

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(talk) 14:23, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not willing to process this as a technical request. A formal RM would most likely be closed in a week if there are no objections, and would be seen by more people. -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:31, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Ɱ, I see your point, but as @Kj cheetham has pointed out, there's policy that applies here. I know you've waited a long time, but an RM only runs for 1 week, so it doesn't make much of a difference at all. Do an RM, and I'll watchlist it, and if it passes I'll do the move for you immediately. Dr. Vogel (talk) 14:42, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This move would be directly contrary to an RM consensus of 2016. I personally wasn't too happy with that RM, and later expressed my concern on the Talk page here. Although I would probably support this, I think it needs an RM discussion. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 14:55, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, clear common name.--Cerebral726 (talk) 13:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per my previous comments at Talk:Alcoholic drink/Archive 1#"Drink" versus "beverage" again. If I recall correctly, several articles were moved to "drink" names at around that time, so there may be others that should be reconsidered as well. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:55, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Sandcherry (talk) 20:59, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Makes much more sense, per BarrelProof's rationale. $ɱ$ (talk) 21:03, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, this is clearly the common name. JIP | Talk 09:34, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Controversy of topic

I believe it's important to expand upon the many consensus which regard the prohibition of alcohol, including the Prohibition in the United States, but especially the protests against the legalization and promotion of alcohol. I am not educated enough on the topic, but would appreciate whomever sees this to consider it in their next edits. Thank you. Urropean (talk) 16:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lancet articles

Should include direct link to Lancet article from WHO researchers rather than summary:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(22)00317-6/fulltext

Follow up in Lancet discussing “the potential benefits of alcohol on cardiovascular disease and diabetes” should be included as well:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(23)00073-5/fulltext 2600:100C:B037:E65A:D07:3D09:CF56:D1D3 (talk) 23:03, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Alcohol expectations" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Alcohol expectations has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 29 § Alcohol expectations until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]