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Anglian interglacial?

Is this a typo? I've never seen the Anglian cold stage described as the Anglian interglacial. Pterre (talk) 17:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh sorry, I see it has been corrected - was looking at an old edit. Pterre (talk) 17:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anglian Sea Level map reliability?

I used this sea level/glaciation map in reference to a discussion of the recent Science article asserting Neanderthals had shipbuilding skills. See summary here. The basic assertion is that since they found Neanderthal style tools in Crete and Crete has never been connected to the mainland by a land bridge in the last million years, the Neanderthals must have used boats to get there.

Eh... right. So it took me 15 minutes to find the article and point to the land bridges in the map. Apparently there's some disagreement between the Paleontologists and Geologists on the extent of the Anglian Maximum since the former think the isolation must have been a million years for the local Pygmy Hippos to pygmyize and for all the other Cretan species to diverge. Actually I think it's more likely they're not even aware of one another's literature. The simple explanation is that some Heidelbergensises wandered over during the Anglian maximum and got stuck, and their tools simply look more Neanderthal than generally is the case.

So of course I get shouted down and told that everything on Wikipedia is garbage and I shouldn't question the wisdom of REAL scientists who would have done their homework before asserting there could be no land bridges. It would be helpful to know the provenance and the confidence in the accuracy of the map. If only to send the Science author a cited copy with "See Land Bridges Here!"

98.225.182.131 (talk) 04:44, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would not rely on that map. Its provenance has recently been questioned at [1]. It is difficult to find a figure for the drop in sea level during the Anglian, but it must be in the region of 120 metres, so if you check the depth of the channels around Crete you can see whether a land bridge is credible. Is accidental rafting on driftwood possible? This has been suggested for homo floresiensis, but Flores is much closer to its nearest continent than Crete. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:14, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Having corresponded with Drs. Phil Gibbard and Kurt Lambeck of Cambridge and ANU, I can confirm that the map is inaccurate and should be removed. I have suggested to them that a graduate student specializing in Quartenary Geology (Dr. Gibbard has several) could spend some productive time cleaning up this and other articles on related topics. And so Science marches on. 98.225.182.131 (talk) 04:44, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sorting this out. I have nominated the map for deletion and removed it from the article. Can you ask your contacts whether they can suggest an accurate map which is in the public domain and could be used instead? Dudley Miles (talk) 21:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There may not BE an authoritative consensus map in the public domain. Like I said, I suggested they nudge someone to revise and they may make a map in that case, but more than that I can't do. 98.225.182.131 (talk) 03:50, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please ask Bill Gates or some other rich person to buy for us all the maps and artist's impressions

We need at least two maps and at least two good and not bad artist's impressions.

Some painters are willing to help, but are either untalented, either metamodernists. We aren't supposed to add abstract art or bad art on an encyclopedia, or we can if we already have 4 clear photos and maps.

Add photos and maps to all the kin pages please!!!

Contact Japan via email and pay some Japanese student. Explain what you want and provide the data. In the northern US, some map makers are good, and charge less. Fuckin' open your pocket for science, or ask a rich person to create better open archives in Wikipedia.