Talk:Bombay riots

The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, which has been designated as a contentious topic.

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

Skip to table of contents

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Bombay riots article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Please stay calm and civil while commenting or presenting evidence, and do not make personal attacks. Be patient when approaching solutions to any issues. If consensus is not reached, other solutions exist to draw attention and ensure that more editors mediate or comment on the dispute.

This page is not a forum for general discussion about Bombay riots. Any such comments may be removed or refactored. Please limit discussion to improvement of this article. You may wish to ask factual questions about Bombay riots at the Reference desk.

This article is written in Indian English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, analysed, defence) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

The subject of this article is controversial and content may be in dispute. When updating the article, be bold, but not reckless. Feel free to try to improve the article, but don't take it personally if your changes are reversed; instead, come here to the talk page to discuss them. Content must be written from a neutral point of view. Include citations when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information.

Crime and Criminal Biography Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Crime and Criminal BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyCrime-related articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Death Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Death, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Death on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DeathWikipedia:WikiProject DeathTemplate:WikiProject DeathDeath articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Disaster management Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Disaster management, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Disaster management on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Disaster managementWikipedia:WikiProject Disaster managementTemplate:WikiProject Disaster managementDisaster management articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Discrimination Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Discrimination, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Discrimination on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DiscriminationWikipedia:WikiProject DiscriminationTemplate:WikiProject DiscriminationDiscrimination articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.

Hinduism Low‑importance

	Hinduism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Hinduism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Hinduism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.HinduismWikipedia:WikiProject HinduismTemplate:WikiProject HinduismHinduism articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

India: Maharashtra / Mumbai / History / Politics Mid‑importance

	India portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.IndiaWikipedia:WikiProject IndiaTemplate:WikiProject IndiaIndia articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Maharashtra (assessed as High-importance).
	This article is supported by WikiProject Mumbai (assessed as High-importance).
	This article is supported by the Indian history workgroup (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article is supported by the Indian politics workgroup (assessed as Mid-importance).
	This article was last assessed in April 2012.
	An editor has requested that an image or photograph be added to this article.

Islam Mid‑importance

	Islam portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Islam, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Islam-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IslamWikipedia:WikiProject IslamTemplate:WikiProject IslamIslam-related articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Religion: Interfaith Low‑importance

	Religion portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Religion, a project to improve Wikipedia's articles on Religion-related subjects. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the wikiproject page for more details.ReligionWikipedia:WikiProject ReligionTemplate:WikiProject ReligionReligion articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is within the scope of Interfaith work group, a work group which is currently considered to be inactive.

Law Low‑importance

	Law portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Law, an attempt at providing a comprehensive, standardised, pan-jurisdictional and up-to-date resource for the legal field and the subjects encompassed by it.LawWikipedia:WikiProject LawTemplate:WikiProject Lawlaw articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Law Enforcement Low‑importance

	Law portal This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Law Enforcement. Please Join, Create, and Assess.Law EnforcementWikipedia:WikiProject Law EnforcementTemplate:WikiProject Law EnforcementLaw enforcement articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale.

Sociology Mid‑importance

	Society portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sociology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of sociology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SociologyWikipedia:WikiProject SociologyTemplate:WikiProject Sociologysociology articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Fiza

There is another movie on the subject called "Fiza" (my account was Shell but i forgot the password and it has still not been sent to me after requesting it)

Edited

I changed the line "An investigative commission was formed by Justice B.N. Srikrishna..." to "An investigative commission was formed under Justice B.N. Srikrishna..." 114.31.135.29 (talk) 01:55, 9 May 2010 (UTC) Prateek Mishra (prateek . freelance @ gmail . com)[reply]

The Most Cars in One Place

A nine-day traffic jam could last for weeks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.14.67 (talk) 22:00, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Catagory removal

Why is the Category:Anti-Muslim pogroms in India being removed, this atrocity has been called a pogrom. Darkness Shines (talk) 06:15, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This was a riot - started after (initially peaceful then turned violent) Muslim protests. Why is this called a pogrom against Muslims? It should then be called a pogrom against Hindus as well. I vote to add this to anti-Hindu pogroms in India --Sdmarathe (talk) 02:55, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- SD, see the section below this one. There are references that say targeted violence took place; therefore, the category is included. Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:17, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template removal

There are six reliable sources in the linked section [1]. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:12, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Series Addition & Removal

This event includes both violence against Hindus and Muslims. Need consensus on adding this articles to both series "Violence against Muslims in India" & "Violence against Hindus". Please provide reliable source supporting the view. Until then this article should be part of any series. Unbiasedpov (talk) 19:21, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you had bothered to read the talk page, you would have seen the six reliable sources provided in the link above. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:57, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: -Add series "Violence against Hindus" or Remove series "Violence against Muslims in India"?

This is quite a short RFC. Broadly speaking it looks like there is agreement that there is, somewhere, sourcing referring to this as Violence against Hindus. The emerging consensus appears to be that adding the series template to the article would probably be okay but only after relevant prose text was added to the article (as it stands, it shouldn't be added) covering the Radhabai Chawl incident. One comment I do have though, is that the article is in a severely poor state and adding a series template to it won't improve matters much. The article needs significant TLC and some good sourcing! Not an easy job, but worth doing. --Errant ^(chat!) 08:08, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Add the series "Violence against Hindus". Alternatively, remove the series "Violence against Muslims in India". Article carries details of both violence against Hindus as well was violence against Muslims. Article provides details of Radhabai Chawl Massacre of 6 Hindus, including women and physically handicapped girl. This and other events are textbook case of "Violence against Hindus"; Thus, This article should be added to series "Violence against Hindus". Updating RfC & making this Proposal:- Do not add entire article to "Violence against Hindus" series;Instead create a sub-section, "Radha bai Chawl Massacre" and add subsection to "violence against hindus" series. Unbiasedpov (talk) 16:20, 1 September 2015 (UTC) Unbiasedpov (talk) 20:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I vote for Equality. I vote to add both series "Violence against Hindus" and "Violence against Muslims in India" to article. Unbiasedpov (talk) 22:01, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is an identical RfC about a related topic. To view and/or participate, follow the link at: Talk:2002_Gujarat_riots#RfC:_-Add_series_.22Violence_against_Hindus.22_or_Remove_series_.22Violence_against_Muslims_in_India.22.3F. Note: This RfC link fully complies with Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Placing_an_RfC_in_a_page_other_than_a_talk_page. Do not delete without consensus. Unbiasedpov (talk) 22:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Sources describing this as "violence against Muslims" have been provided, and are currently in the article. Sources describing this as "violence against Hindus" do not exist. Therefore, only the former template is appropriate. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a list of reliable source which describes entire event as "violence against Muslims". Read the article. Reliable sources describe Radhabai Chawl Massacre as start of hindu backlash. See the numbers in Sri Krishna Commission report:-. In first 2 days( January 6 and 7 1992) of Mumbai rioting, 34 Hindus and 8 Muslims got killed, 138 Hindus and 34 Muslims were injured. On January 8 1992 at 0030 hours, 6 Hindus, including 5 women, residing at Radhabai Chawl were burnt alive. Radhabai Chawl massacre triggered hindu backlash.Unbiasedpov (talk) 12:06, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a consensus to add both the categories to sidebar for this page? I feel after reading more sources, this is deserving of both categories in the sidebar. --Sdmarathe (talk) 02:22, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support The Radhabai Chawl incident along with first 2 days of rioting, where Hindus were killed - was often referred to (including most sources and Srikrishna report) as the starting point to justify attacks on Muslims - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Radhabai-Chawl-A-decade-of-trying-to-rebuild-trust/articleshow/30396431.cms --Sdmarathe (talk) 16:43, 25 August 2015 (UTC) There is sufficient evidence and references of Violence against both religions. I vote to add both - "Violence against Hindus" and "Violence against Muslims in India". --Sdmarathe (talk) 21:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC) Note: Move here because where it was originally, it looks like a double vote. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:14, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Updating RfC & making this Proposal:- Do not add entire article to "Violence against Hindus" series;Instead create a sub-section, "Radha bai Chawl Massacre" and add subsection to "violence against hindus" series. Unbiasedpov (talk) 11:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you have changed your mind, you should withdraw the RfC. - Kautilya3 (talk) 11:55, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I see three potential changes. Option 1: add entire article to Violence against Hindus. Option 2: create sub section on "Radha bai Chawl Massacre" and add this to "violence against hindus" . option 3: do nothing. There is enough data to indicate at least #2 if not #1. Maybe Unbiasedpov can rewrite the proposal along the above lines or keep the existing form and seek consensus. I do support the proposal as written nonetheless since Radhabai chowl massacre undoubtedly was a trigger for these riots. --Sdmarathe (talk) 16:06, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Proposal is my attempt to seek a middle path. This is what RfC is all about.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Unbiasedpov (talk • contribs)

Support. The text should include all precursor events, and provide information regarding the build-up to the event. This is necessary, by way of WP:NPOV, in order to maintain that Wikipedia is not a tool to discern personal beliefs on a situation. However, any support here should not be misconstrued to support either side of the situation in question, and is rather a means of maintaining the encyclopedia's five pillars, and more specifically WP:5P2. Ex Parte ^talk^|^contribs 01:51, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RfC Close

@Ex Parte:, as somebody who voted in the RfC, your closure of it was inappropriate; see WP:BADNAC. I recognize that you are new here, so I don't think this is too big a deal, but a self-revert would be encouraged. Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:46, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Vanamonde93, it was me that closed the RFC: my summary is at the top of the discussion (in a box to the right side). Cheers, --Errant ^(chat!) 20:29, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Errant It would appear that I cannot read. My apologies to both; this demonstrates why I should not be editing the 'pedia when busy with RL. I disagree with your close, but it's in no way inappropriate. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:49, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Bombay riots. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 17:16, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Bombay riots. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20060117015255/http://supremecourtofindia.nic.in:80/judges/bio/sitting/bns.htm to http://www.supremecourtofindia.nic.in/judges/bio/sitting/bns.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 12:42, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

changing the timeline structure

Perhaps to increase the conciseness of the article we could restructure the 'timeline' format and instead focus on expanding the discussion of the causes (which are listed in bullet points towards the end of the article but no further context is given for them) and including a discussion of the consequences of the riots (including how it affects the social, political, and economic conditions of present day Mumbai. What do people think about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maytwister16 (talk • contribs) 10:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Historian Barbara Metcalf

275 Hindus died, and Sri Krishna Commission report did mention role of Muslim rioters killing Hindus. It's clear she is biased and her statement should be removed from the first part.

Her bibliography and her writings show that she has some pro-Muslim bias. It seems she was selected by some biased editor for this reason. Barbara D. Metcalf — Preceding unsigned comment added by അണ്ണാ ഹസാരെ (talk • contribs) 05:01, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]