Talk:Dożynki

Erection

The scarecrow in the picture has an erection — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3BD8:4D90:ED07:FD76:CC69:1475 (talk) 07:23, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

About merging "Dozhinki" and "Harvest festival"

Dozhinki is the day of the traditional calendar of the Slavs (in Poland, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Slovakia).

Source:

• «Slavic Antiquities: Ethnolinguistic dictionary». Published by the Russian Academy of Sciences (scientific publication).
• Усачёва В. В. Обжинки // Славянские древности: Этнолингвистический словарь в 5-ти томах / Под ред. Н. И. Толстого; Институт славяноведения РАН. — М.: Международные отношения, 2004. — Т. 3. — С. 448-452. — ISBN 5-7133-1207-0

--Лобачев Владимир (talk) 17:51, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

In Russia:

• Dozhinki (russian: Дожинки, Обжинки) - folk festival finishing harvesting rye, wheat or oats.
• Osenins (russian: Осенины) - folk festival end cleaning garden (all) cultures.
• Harvest festival - a modern secular holiday, in the Soviet era was appointed and held the Communists.

--Лобачев Владимир (talk) 18:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Points

1. Oppose for merging Dozhinki and Harvest festival. Reasons for keeping separate article:
   1. "Harvest festival" is a broader concept. "Dozhinki" is specific (ethnolinguistic) expression of this tradition in a particular (Slavic) culture, limited by region and common name. Being named element of Slavic folk calendar, this holiday may well be extracted as a separate article, more special than the "harvest festival" in general. See also differents interwiki links for Dozhinki and Harvest festival.
   2. Also Dozhinki is not a another name for Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is mainly christianity tradition, in the western countries. Dozhinki is based on the pre-christianity folk tradition.
   3. Recognizable name. "Dozhinki", "Dožínky" - is a recognizable name, commonly found in the cultural context, many historical images is attributed to the use of the name (especially collected in the commons:Category:Dozhinki)
   4. Base for contemporary events. "Dozhinki" tradition became the basis for several modern public (official) holidays and festivals.
   5. Interwiki connectivity. Separate article about this Slavic tradition will remain in the some Wikipedia editions; English Wikipedia is main "interwiki hub", and very convenient when possible to cling to her.

   --Kaganer (talk) 07:22, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Result

• No consensus for merge. C679 09:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Original research?

Anonymous 46.174.26.245 (talk · contribs) persistently puts {{OR}} template without any explanation. Interwiki links of this article clearly suggests that it is an independent ethnocultural phenomenon (in the common tradition of the harvest festivals). --Kaganer (talk) 07:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

• Dear Лобачев Владимир and Kaganer ! Show differences between rituals, out of the languages ! xxx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.174.26.245 (talk) 07:48, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

  Rituals have ethnocultural variations, that merit of extraction in a separate article. The name of such an article, of course, can and should be discussed (but not in a "edit war" mode!). Even if the current title seems unnecessarily "linguistic-centered" may be good reasons to keep it, as example, from the point of view to maintain transparency of interwiki links. --Kaganer (talk) 08:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

   Comment:: I not a Владимир Лобачев, I was involved in this issue after it posts in the russian forum of the Wikimedia Commons. There is no conspiracy ;)--Kaganer (talk) 08:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Interwiki

• be:Прачыстая (Дажынкі)
• cs:Dožínky
• pl:Dożynki

  in polish language the word dozynki mean harvest and not dozhinki???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.174.26.245 (talk • contribs)

  Source? This article gives no reason to think so. In any case, the article pl:Dożynki - not about the word, but about the folk tradition (which eventually mutates).--Kaganer (talk) 08:40, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

  slownik polsko angielski wiedza powszechna 1990 p. 116 isbn 83-214-0124

  Harvest > pl:Żniwa (see also in the Wiktionary). Your source is inaccurate. In any case, the article pl:Dożynki - not about the word, but about the folk tradition. --Kaganer (talk) 08:59, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

  one Wiki dont cited other wiki !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.174.26.245 (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

  Of cource ;) This no cite, this is an illustration of what is written by people who know the language. I quite understand Polish and English texts, to see which version is correct.--Kaganer (talk) 00:18, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

  See, as example, online dictionary slovnyk.org:

  • En > Ru - En:Harvest = Ru:Жатва
  • Ru > Pl - Ru:Жатва = Pl:Żniwa

  The same can be understood simply by comparing the texts of these articles. I compared and understood. How do you think that one goes up, and all the rest - do not keep up?--Kaganer (talk) 00:29, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

  Yes, the word "dożynki" can be translated (from polish to eng.), in particular, as just harvest. But traditional holiday (festival) name "Dożynki" is untranslated etnocultural element (as proper noun). Actual links is correctly. --Kaganer (talk) 00:44, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

  In the common texts "Dożynki" may be translated as abstract "Harvest festival" (but not a just "Harvest"!) - English culture does not contain exactly the same holiday. But our current issue - not just a translation, but the most accurate and unambiguous link between encyclopedia articles in different languages. In this case, transcription and transliteration of proper names is not just acceptable, but a vernacular practice. --Kaganer (talk) 00:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

  NB: Thanksgiving is linked to pl:Dzień Dziękczynienia. --Kaganer (talk) 08:59, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

  NB2: It is useless to remove the link from here only, as it still returns the first interwiki-bot. --Kaganer (talk) 09:02, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

• ru:Обжинки
• sk:Dožinky
• uk:Обжинки (Дожинки, Перша Пречиста)

  one Wiki dont cited other wiki !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.174.26.245 (talk • contribs)

  Of course ;) This written, linked and maintained by native speakers. --Kaganer (talk) 00:30, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Categories

Category:Psycholinguistics

In my opinion, this page is should not be listed in the Category:Psycholinguistics. This categoty for articles about Psycholinguistics as branch of science/knowledge, but not for a list of individual phenomenons. --Kaganer (talk) 09:22, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 19 November 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 21:13, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

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Dozhinki → Dożynki – It seems the current name is the least popular in English usage. Per WP:UE we should use the term that predominates in English-language reliable sources. A quick search on Google Books (with lang=en parameter) shows:

• 225+144 for Dożynki/Dozynki (Polish name)
• 1 false positive for Dozhinki
• 10+1+2 for Obzhynky, Obzhinky or Obzhinki

Google Scholar doesn't cope well with searches in a particular language only, but still there seems to be a 50:1 consensus in favour of the Polish term (cf. Dozhinki (10) vs. Obzhinki (3) vs. Dożynki (527) vs. Obzhynky (11)). //Halibutt 10:17, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

• Tentative support - at least we'd be moving to something correct in one language as opposed to none. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
  • There is a modern festival pl:Dożynki prezydenckie w Spale. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 19:45, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
    • @Лобачев Владимир: That's because the tradition entered the mainstream in the last 50 or so years and currently there are official dożynki organised in virtually every gmina in Poland, sometimes also powiat-level dożynki and of course the "presidential" dożynki, sort of a central, official, state-sponsored dożynki. There's thousands of feasts organised all around Poland every year (usually in late August). No wonder the term used in English literature is based on Polish rather than Russian or Ukrainian, where the feast is much less popular apparently. //Halibutt 21:53, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
      • Google-books:
        • folk festival "Dozhinki" – 5 results
        • folk festival "Dożynki" – 4 results
        • folk festival "Obzhynky" – 6 results. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 13:52, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
          • Sure:
            • Harvest festival Dozhinki - 10 hits
            • Harvest festival Dozynki - 152 hits
            • Harvest festival Dożynki - 48 hits
            • Obzhynky - 10 hits.
          • All in all, it really seems the Polish name is more popular in English literature. //Halibutt 17:10, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
• Support the Polish name per WP:COMMONNAME and the correct use of diacritics per MOS:DIACRITICS.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  03:34, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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