Talk:Fed Up

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Requested move 12 June 2014

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Ixfd64 (talk) 21:07, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fed Up (disambiguation) → Fed Up – Song article used to be only topic, now there is a film article, so both are disambiguated. The disambiguation page should take over the primary slot – Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:58, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Erik: Conditional oppose until all the backlinks are not resolved. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 17:47, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Armbrust: I think you meant "are resolved", but I don't understand why that would be a reason to oppose. Either way, the disambiguation page, whatever title it has, will be tagged with a {{Incoming links}} by the bot when it does it's rounds, allowing editors to fix the issues with the links. Thanks to this oppose, we now have to wait for 7 days until the page gets moved to where it should be currently. I think this is unnecessary red tape, an oppose with no constructive grounds, and this move should be carried out as a speedy move per WP:DABNAME so that we can all get started on fixing these issues, rather than starting more. Steel1943 (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Steel1943: Feel free to fix the backlinks, and move the article then and not before per WP:FIXDABLINKS. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 21:50, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Armbrust: Not until the bot tags the page with {{Incoming links}} so that I, and other editors, know that the external tool will work. And seriously, there's only about 20-25 main space pages with this link; that's hardly anything excessive. That, and what if I don't know what the proper target is supposed to be? WP:FIXDABLINKS is severely flawed in its wording. Steel1943 (talk) 21:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support housekeeping should be done, but this is still a sensible move. I've just fixed 6 incoming links to Fed Up In ictu oculi (talk) 00:21, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. The act of fixing links should not be a consideration on the result of the discussion. It is merely something that requires doing before carrying out the result. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 06:23, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This was actually a technical request, and therefore the requester should fixed the links, before making the request. Struck out my !vote. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 17:29, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The opinions moved from RMTR really should be demarcated somehow, I'd rather not check the edit history of the discussion to determine which entries were copied from RMTR and which were lodged here. Perhaps {{requested move/talk}} should be substituted below the material copied from RMTR as a procedural improvement to indicate separation of full discussion from RMTR material. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 06:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need to check the edit history, just click on "permalink". Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 10:15, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

deletion of some links

Four links deleted, probably should be retained, per:

Fed Up! (film), a 2002 American documentary film about genetic engineering of food.

[IMDb] Fed Up! (2002)

"I'm Fed Up!", a single by Alizée
We are fed up!, a series of demonstrations in Germany and the Netherlands
FedUp (software), software for upgrading Fedora installs

I understand that there is (currently) no article for the 2012 film, but there probably should be; especially now that the Food Industry is coming under increasing scrutiny (now billed as a sequel to the war on tobacco). See IMDb link.

Not clear why the single by Alizée was deleted (admittedly this is English translation of French song title).

Ditto for We are fed up ... demonstrations take place every year in Berlin since 2011.

The last is also a red-link ... but is valid search term, per links cited on the Fedora Project. It does rather look like there was a page that was deleted. IMHO, it was probably deleted due to editorial neglect and should have been upgraded, rather than deleted.

Additionally, the subtitle to the book Fed Up! was removed (Our Fight to Save America from Washington), which I feel detracts from the guidance I believe is appropriate in a disambiguation page (describes the subject matter concisely).

Enquire (talk) 22:02, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Enquire: Please refer to MOS:DAB for the reasons behind these edits. Here's the points in a nutshell:

Partial title matches are usually not acceptable. Using {{Intitle}} is sufficient. Thus, the reason why We are fed up and I'm Fed Up! were removed. (The purpose of disambiguation pages is to disambiguate titles that match the title of the page exactly.)
Every line needs at least one blue link that meets the criteria mentioned in MOS:DABMENTION. Thus, ~~the red link FedUp (software) was removed, as well as~~ the line with no link "Fed Up (2002 film)" was removed. (Create the article first.)
Links for article titles should not be redirects. The title with the subtitle was moved per WP:SUBTITLES, making its new name Fed Up! (book). Thus, the link was changed.

MOS:DAB explains these points more in detail. I would recommend looking at it. Steel1943 (talk) 00:19, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Enquire: I returned the line with FedUp (software) with an edit that allowed it to meet the requirements outlined in MOS:DABMENTION. Steel1943 (talk) 13:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]