Talk:Hurricane Winifred

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Date	Process	Result
March 24, 2011	Good article nominee	Not listed
April 10, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Winifred (1992)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: 12george1 (talk) 03:38, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there no caption under the picture of Winifred?
- Added.
"caused more than $5 million (1992 USD), $8 million (2010 USD) in damage." - Add an inflation template in the same parenthesis as 1992 USD, and then erase $8 million (2010 USD).
- Fixed.
"It gradually headed west-northwestward, slowly organized, and developed and concentrated convection." - I think you are missing the word deep between developed and concentrated.
The Meteorological history is rather short, it can be expanded using information from here.
- What exactly is mising from it?
  - Well, just looking at the first three discussions, it seems that they were way off on the intensity predictions (btw, I messed up when I put that link on). So you are missing a lot of info on NHC's operational predictions. In addition, later discussions, like #6, predicted only light intensification, shortly before rapid intensification occurred. Furthermore, there should it should also be noted that it was operationally seemed that Winifred peaked as only a high-end Category 2 hurricane, rather than a Category 3 (highest operationally recorded wind speed is in Discussion #12. Some discussions shortly before landfall also showed Winifred surviving over land in Mexico until as late as October 12, but the storm ended up dissipating less than 24 hours after landfall. I could go on and on about this, so in basic summary: you are missing NHC's operational data and the significant inaccuracy of intensity predictions.--12george1 (talk) 04:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Manzanillo, Colima" is linked too many times; delink all but where it is wikilinked in the lead.
"On 0300 UTC Ocotber 9" - first of all, there is a typo here. Second, reword to "On October 9 at 0300 UTC", it will read better and makes more sense.
None of the words in tropical storm warning should be capitalized.
- Fixed.
In the same sentence, you are missing a period at the end.
There has to be more impact out there, like on Google News.
- I checked google news and found only one minor detail that was missing. The others were either the Earthweek column or were duplications of the Calgary Heral source.
Reference #4 is on a separate line, delete the space between the period (once you add it) and the ref tag.
"Starting on October 8,[1]" - I hate when people do this; it seems like you are citing that "Starting on October 8", instead of what it is intended to cite; move the reference to the end of that sentence.
Why do you have American units first and then metric unit in parenthesis in the MH, but vice-versa here?
- Fixed.
"Waves 4 m (4.4 yd) forced the closure of" - metres are always converted to feet, not yards.
"damage in his state was 16000 pesos (1992 MXP)." - What is 16000 pesos in United States dollar?
In the references, National Hurricane Center is wikilinked every time; obviously you can't fix it on reference #2,
- It's linked every time for reasons of consistency. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:33, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am putting this review on hold so that the above improvements can either be fixed or addressed.--12george1 (talk) 03:38, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote a tad of article (it was in my userspace), and I think the article can be expanded slightly by inclduing discussions from the NHC and from Google's' newspaper archive. Y E ^Tropical ^Cyclone

With no effort at all for 7 days to fix my issue with the shortness of the Meteorological History, I have no choice but to fail this GA nomination.--12george1 (talk) 03:05, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Winifred (1992)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: 12george1 (talk) 03:05, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just thought I would review this article on its second nomination. There were also some problems that I forgot mention in the first nomination review.

"Hurricane Winifred was the last tropical cyclone to make landfall in the busy" - Wikilink "landfall" .
- Done.
The second paragraph in the lead does not mention any specific dates, and "Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale" should be wikilinked.
In the Meteorological history, the first paragraph does not mention that the depression that intensified into a tropical storm was named "Winifred", this is vital information to someone unfamiliar with the topic, seeing that it looks like the system became Winifred out of the blue.
- Done
"was anticipating Winfred to reach" - Winifred is misspelled.
- Done
"within the nest 36 hours." - nest? You mean next?
- Yep.
"A large cyclone, Winfred continued to intensify." - Winifred is again misspelled.
- Done
Look at these two sentences: "A small eye became evident on satellite imagery, and thus the winds increased to 145 km/h (85 mph)." "Winfred then intensified into a moderate Category 2 hurricane on Ocotber 9, although the eye briefly disappeared." In the first sentence it looks like your implying that if there was no eye, then winds would be less than 85 mph. Keep that in mind for the second sentence, where it says "the eye briefly disappeared"; judging by your implement on the first sentence, it looks like Winifred could have briefly weakened to a Category 1 hurricane or less because it did not have an eye for a short period of time. BTW, the words "Winifred" and "October" are misspelled.
- Done.
The term "major hurricane" is not explained.
- Done
It is kind of passive on how Winifred weakened over Mexico; "Winifred quickly weakened upon landfall. On October 10, it dissipated over the mountains of central Mexico." You should probably change it to something like this: "Winifred quickly weakened after landfall, and weakened to a tropical storm less than three hours later, which was early on October 10. Later on October 10, Winifred weakened to a tropical depression, before dissipating over the mountains of central Mexico."
- Accepted your suggestion.
Some of the operational data is still missing, like for example, I stated in the other review, it was not known that Winifred peaked as a Category 3 hurricane, rather than a high-end Category 2 hurricane like operationally stated.
As for impact, when I stated that more impact was needed, I meant stuff like rainfall data in other areas of Mexico, like the Yucatan Peninsula, since it is only limited to Colima and Michoacán.
- Those were the only areas affected by the storm. Thanks for the review, you did a great job. Y E ^Tropical ^Cyclone 04:19, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In the references, there are some references where there are specific dates, but it is simply put as "(1992)", such as on the Discussions. In addition, there is inconsistency with the accessdates, like "Retrieved 3-26-11." and "Retrieved 2011-01-02." Also on Reference #9, you have last name first, but first name first on other references. Furthermore, there are many typos/spelling errors; I will quote the reference and then use bold to show the mistake.
- Reference 2: Lixod Avila (1992). "Tropical Storm Winfred Discussion 4". National Hurricane Center. Retrieved 3-26-11. - Lixion and Winifred is misspelled.
- Reference 3: Robert Pasch (1992). "Tropical Storm Winfred Discussion 5". National Hurricane Center. Retrieved 2011-3-26. - Robert? Wrong first name, and Winifred is again misspelled.
- Reference 4: Max Lawrence (1992). "Hurricane Winfred Discussion 8". National Hurricane Center. Retrieved 2011-3-26. - Max? Again, wrong first name, and Winifred is misspelled yet again.
- Reference 5: Max Mayfiled (1992). "Hurricane Winfred Discussion 10". National Hurricane Center. Retrieved 2011-3-26. - Mayfield is misspelled, and once again, Winifred is misspelled.

Ok, this is good enough to pass for GA. Just as a closing note the lead and the Meteorological history is rather short, it is passable here, but it may not fly at the FAC (if you plan to take it that far). Congratulations,--12george1 (talk) 23:47, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 November 2016

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. While this is the only "hurricane" by this name, the potential target is a redirect to a disambiguation page that points to both a hurricane and a cyclone. There is no consensus to move this page, and it appears that this needs to be part of a broader discussion of the naming of hurricanes, perhaps an RFC. (non-admin closure) Brad v 21:42, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Winifred (1992) → Hurricane Winifred – Only one Pacific hurricane named Winifred. 219.79.96.41 (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 19:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This should not have been listed separately. See ongoing relevant discussion at Talk:Hurricane Stan (disambiguation)#Requested move 22 October 2016. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 06:23, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: I agree with User:GPHemsley that this shouldn't have been raised as a separate RM while the other was in progress, but now that it has been, let us wait at least one relisting and see whether anything happens at the other discussion. Andrewa (talk) 19:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: so not as to confuse with any other names listed at Tropical Storm Winifred. Ebonelm (talk) 21:21, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's the only *Hurricane" with that name, and a hatnote can take us to the dab page in case anyone is confused. Unlike "Tropical Storm Winifred" (which includes Hurricane Winifred), this is not an ambiguous term. — Amakuru (talk) 23:26, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Someone people call any strong tropical storm a hurricane. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. As User:Amakuru points out, Hurricane Winifred is not ambiguous. While discussion at Talk:Hurricane Stan and elsewhere is continuing, nothing that has developed there affects this RM. Andrewa (talk) 10:39, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Per Amakuru. Tropical storms that are hurricanes are called hurricanes. Others are not called hurricanes. It's very simple. --В²C ☎ 00:02, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose largely because the terms hurricane/typhoon/cyclone were interchangeable in the media, especially in this era. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 01:27, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The terms hurricane, typhoon and cyclone are synonyms of regional preference that become interchangeable in cross-regional exchange, like on Wikipedia. They are all tropical storms, and it is not reasonable to expect all regional readers to appreciate the artificial distinction that exists in North America. Tropical storms that are hurricanes may also be reasonably called typhoons and cyclones, and someone not wishing to cross someone else's distinction may continue to call it a tropical storm. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:03, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is simply not true. Do you have any evidence for the media in any part of the world calling something that is not a hurricane a hurricane? The only exception I can think of is the Great storm of 1987, which was widely referred to as a hurricane at the time. But that wasn't even a tropical storm at all so it's a different question. Tropical storms that aren't hurricanes being called hurricanes? That does not happen. — Amakuru (talk) 15:54, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What is simply not true? The things you specify are not what I said. A hurricane is a typhoon is a cyclone, just subject to regional variation of English. A hurricane is a big tropical storm, and was at some point a tropical storm, but a tropical storm is not necessarily a hurricane. A tropical storm may be technically differentiated from a hurricane by wind speed, but non-technically a hurricane is a class of tropical storms. In increasing severity, a tropical depression becomes a tropical storm becomes a hurricane/cyclone/typhoon, and you don't normally call a hurricane a tropical depression, but it is not incorrect. You may be getting into false precision? At least it is not as bad as "superstorm". There may be issue with hurricanes being far from the topics .... Bottom line, hurricane/cyclone/typhoon are not universally recognised as distinct, and they have overlap with "tropical storm", and the field as understood by the public is ambiguous with respect to the names. Katrina was a tropical storm, before it became a hurricane (2005), or should that be before it become a cyclone (1998)? These titles, more so than most, appear in lists, and the little bit of parenthetical information is important. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Requested move 8 February 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 02:15, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Winifred (1992) → Hurricane Winifred – Only one Pacific hurricane named Winifred. 219.79.250.146 (talk) 01:21, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per previous discussion outcome, plus the name has been used in the SHEM, and cyclones/hurricanes/typhoons are often confused terms, especially in the media prior to the internet age. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 16:40, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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