Talk:James Jones (basketball, born 1980)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Bcschneider53 (talk · contribs) 16:47, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

It's been a while since I reviewed an article so I will take this one on. Hoping to have some comments within the next few days. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 16:47, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Sorry for the slight delay; I'm currently wrapping up a very busy week. My goal is to get to this tomorrow evening. I appreciate your patience. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 21:19, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   The lead is a bit short right now. I'd say try to include some more information there to get it up to at least two (preferably three) paragraphs. Perhaps you could talk more about his individual achievements or his career pre-NBA. Also, the ref is not needed in the lead and can be moved to the body.

   I expanded the lead. Also, "Jones has never been on an NBA team with a losing record and has only missed the playoffs once" is not currently in the body of the article. Where do you think I should move it or should it stay there? WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 00:44, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

   I would move it to the Trail Blazers section (with ref) but also make note of it in the lead (without ref). --Bcschneider53 (talk) 00:51, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   Ref 14 is an archived Blogger blog source. I might be able to let it pass given it appears to be an official Trail Blazers blog, but any other source that could cite the same facts would be preferable.

   I can't find another source talking about him not being in the three point contest. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:09, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

   Ok, I think that's alright. It may become an issue at an FAC though, should you want to go that far. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 13:47, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

   The copyvio detector is showing a bit of a concern for me. I would suggest going through and double checking the applicable refs to make sure there aren't any major close paraphrasing issues.

   I don't believe there are any copy-pasted verbatim sentences. The tool looks to be matching terms like "Class 6A Player of the Year" and "Miami Herald Boys' Basketball Player of the Year" and names like "Jadynn Alyssa Jones". The NBA ref was used a lot in this article, so there are several similar instances of terms like that. Also, there are similarities in things like "missed 36 games due to injury and was a DNP-CD six games", even though that isn't the exact wording and I'm not sure there's a different way to word it. Hmm. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 00:56, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

   Great, I only wanted you to double-check to make sure there were no violations (the tool does say possible, not probable, after all...). --Bcschneider53 (talk) 13:47, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   See my other comments for areas I think could be expanded a bit.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Given his relationship with LeBron has been the source of vandalism recently, perhaps it would be a good idea to request semi-protection of the article to minimize such edits. Of course, this will only become a major issue if it happens during or shortly after the review.

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

General comments

• It appears the refs for the high school and college career sections verify all of the stats, but I'd put more inline citations after some other sentences to make that more clear (it need not be every sentence, but it should be more than just one at the end of the section). Y
• "He once blocked sixteen shots in one game." When? His senior year? If so, perhaps this sentence could be combined somehow with the previous one. Y

I could not find a source for when, perhaps we could insert an explanatory note or something. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 23:55, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• "averaging 3.9 points and 1.9 rebounds per game, his freshman year in 1999." Suggest rewrite as "averaging 3.9 points and 1.9 rebounds per game during his freshman year in 1999." Y
• "He majored in finance at Miami.[2] Jones was also a member of the National Honor Society and had a 3.41 grade point average.[3]" I'd suggest putting this after the first sentence in the College section and rewriting it as "During his time at Miami, he majored in finance and became a member of the National Honor Society with a 3.41 grade point average." Y
• Anywhere shooting stats are given, hyphens should be included (e.g. shooting "X-of-Y" from the field). Y
• Perhaps the Trail Blazers section could be expanded a bit; a couple of one-sentence paragraphs ought to be either merged or expanded (the former is acceptable given he only played in Portland one season).

I'm not sure what else to add. Its current size looks about the same as the Suns and Pacers sections, where he played two seasons each. To add some more detail, I could maybe go into the specifics of his injuries or try and find why he opted out of the contract. If I did that to one section, I would probably have to do it for all the others too. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:57, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

If you can find some more info, I'd say put it in. Since you've already merged the single-sentence paragraphs as well, it probably isn't that big of an issue. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 13:47, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

I've expanded the Trail Blazers section. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 01:39, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

• "while the final three were options held by both the Miami Heat and Jones." "Miami" is redundant since the "Miami Heat" were already mentioned above and can be removed. Y
• Same as above with the 2012-13 and '13-14 seasons with the Heat. The 2010-11 season has far more detail making the others look like they're missing some information. It doesn't have to be much at all, but a couple more sentences might make it look more complete in comparison.

I'm not sure what else to add here. He only played in 38 and 20 games between the two seasons. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 02:57, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Understandable, it's hard to add info when he's a DNP-CD. Perhaps you could merge the paragraphs again here? --Bcschneider53 (talk) 13:47, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

I merged the two paragraphs and added a sentence each to both of the seasons. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 01:39, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

• "LeBron James, Jones's teammate with the Miami Heat" Again, Miami is redundant here. Y
• "Jones's uncle, Ricky Gutiérrez, played in Major League Baseball." Inline citations needed here and throughout the personal section for family endeavors; the nba.com ref should be usable here. Y
• "Jones appeared on the television show Kitchen Nightmares in 2010." Put this somewhere in the first paragraph with his other business interests. Y
• "Jones is the secretary-treasurer of the NBA Players Association (NBPA)." When did he assume this role? Also, I think this could be placed in the playing career section some place depending on when he became secretary-treasurer.

I can't find an exact source saying when. This article from 2010 says he was the secretary-treasurer. Also, Pat Garrity was the secretary-treasurer from 2000 to 2008. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 03:47, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

I couldn't either, so don't worry about it. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 13:47, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

• The Awards and honors section has no inline citations anywhere. Perhaps they aren't needed for his championships but I'd include them for some of the more minor ones (such as 1998–99 First-team All-State Selection) since that's what seems to be done in other NBA player GAs. Y
• No dead links or disambig links to be found, so no issue here.

Overall, still quite a bit of work to be done but certainly not more than can be done within a week. I'll put this on hold to allow time for the changes to be made. Feel free to request more time if necessary. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 23:01, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Nice work, I appreciate your swift responses. I'll go ahead and pass this article now. Keep a semi-protection request in mind if the vandalism comes back. Well done. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 13:44, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 20:56, 12 February 2017 (UTC)