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WikiProject Ancient Egypt to-do list:

Needed articles.

We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

Cleanup.

To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

Standardize the Chronology.

A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

Stub sorting

Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

Data sorting.

This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

Chephren's seated diorite statue - cartouche

This is the amazing statue with the Horus (hawk) behind his Head.

At Khafre's right foot, to the right side, can be found his vertical cartouche. It reads as follows:

Seated Khafre–
Chepren's vertical
Cartouche
the Diorite statue
in hieroglyphs

Sun, Sunrise, Horizontal snake. The cartouche:

(Budge's 2-vol dictionary has the same sequence. At Uraeus is the dict. Ref.)

Rename89

→ Khafre like Encarta and EB

Does anyone know why the name "Kefren" is no longer used, in favour of Khafra? When I went to Egypt 12 years ago, everyone told me the pyramid was Kefren's pyramid. Very interested to know more!

Klf uk (talk) 12:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from the article

Khafre built the Great Sphinx to guard his tomb, his father's tomb, and his step-brother's tomb. It has the head of Khafre and the body of a lion. -Written by:Karlie Davidson

Karlie Davidson, this could remain in the article if you supplied cites, please. -- llywrch 01:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

170 year reign?

Hi, the table to the right of the page states that Khafra reigned from 2650 BCE to 2480 BCE! I don't know how to edit this and am finding conflicting data on when he did actually reign. It looks like 2558 - 2532 BCE as this fits him nicely between Djedefre and Menkaura. Any ideas? --Kylemew 15:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rachaf

I just removed this. I can find a few instances of it on the web, none in Google Books or Scholar as an alternative name. Dougweller (talk) 04:47, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I returned "Rachaf", since this is the pharoh's actual egyptian name. Historians and others have read the hieroglyphs in an incorrect order. Ra, the supreme god, was honored by placing this name first. Evident to an egyptologist who can read hieroglyphs. I haven't found an exact printed source to this exact effect, I learned it myself from an egyptology professor, Nils Billing. Help on finding an exact printed reference much appreciated. One reference is http://touregypt.net/featurestories/khafrep.htm 'The Great Pyramid of Khafre', allready cited in the article, but maybe something more specific is needed? It correctly states the pharohs name meaning "Appearing like Ra" (Khaf-Ra). Out of respect for the supreme god it was read out Ra-Chaf - Rachaf. Stringence (talk) 17:51, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a name used in English academic sources, so it doesn't belong in the lead. Wikipedia doesn't lead the way in making changes like this. It may literally be correct and something should be in the article, but he is not known as Rachaf in English so it doesn't belong in the lede.

Ranke, H. 1950. The Egyptian Pronunciation of the Royal Name 'Khefren' and its Cognates. JAOS 70: 65-68.

{AEB Summary: {The name was pronounced ra-xaj.f, and the reading xaw.f-ra, which was probably the source of the Greek rendering Xefrhn, was the result of a misunderstanding on the part of later generations, to whom the original meaning ("It is Re who rises"), as well as the pronunciation of this name had been lost.

{Gardiner agrees (2005(1957): 74, n. 0) that the name was most likely /ra-xa.f/. It appears to be an exception to the practice of theophanic/honoric transposition in names (on this see, Allen 2000: 4.15)

Allen, J. P. 2000. Middle Egyptian: An Introduction to the Language and Culture of Hieroglyphs. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

Gardiner, A. H. 2005 (1957). Egyptian Grammar: Being an Introduction to the Study of Hieroglyphs. Oxford: Griffith Institute.

The article linked doesn't say Rachaf. Dougweller (talk) 20:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I´m satisfied that the paragraph on how the pharohs name was read out still stands (Rachaf). To quote the conceited individual above "It is not a name used in English academic sources, so it doesn't belong in the lead". English academic sources are NOT the worlds most supreme, stringent, nor most complete. As this discussion shows, it can be of poor quality, and severely lacking in several aspects. You cannot say something doesn't exist, just because it isn't mensioned in english sources. As refrences Ranke and Allen cited above, this pharoh was most certainly named Ra-Chaf. Full stop. Stringence (talk) 10:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And we can mention that in the article, but not in the lead. This is the English speaking Wikipedia, and we can use non-English sources to show this as the pronunciation, etc, but the lead shouldn't include it as an alternative name because it isn't used in English sources. Dougweller (talk) 10:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this article title spelled 'Khafra' while most of the usage in the article is 'Khafre'?

As it says in the section heading. I think Khafre is actually a bit more common in books and journals. Dougweller (talk) 19:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be called Khafre to reflect the more common spelling as found in the English literature.--AnnekeBart (talk) 20:07, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to intrude, just looked him up, not an expert or anything. But to consistent with the rest of Wikipedia, shouldn't be be called Khefre? If they are using the "Re" spelling for the sun god (as opposed to "Ra"), then his name should be Khefre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.73.64.155 (talk) 06:06, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Facts about name

I removed this from the article

"His name, Khaf-Ra, means "Appearing like Ra" for some translators and "rise Ra!" for others; the meaning is most probably the first, according to the hieroglyphic representing his name, which includes that crown. In ancient time his name was read out Ra-chaf to honor the supreme god Ra."

because it needs a proper source. A. Parrot (talk) 22:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 21:00, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Khafra → Khafre – This article has stayed at this title, seemingly through inertia, ever since it was moved here from "Chephren" in 2004. But as you can see in Google Ngrams, "Khafra" has never been the common name. "Chephren" was the most widely used term until the mid-1990s, when (driven, I suspect, by the Sphinx controversy of the time) "Khafre" rocketed to the dominant position it has had ever since. Moreover, WP's other articles on kings whose names incorporate that of Ra generally render it as "re", e.g., Sahure, Nyuserre Ini, and Khafre's own brother Djedefre and son Menkaure. A. Parrot (talk) 19:30, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

yes move the articleǃ Udimu (talk) 05:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Move the article, keep the former page as a redirect. Mr rnddude (talk) 06:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Fecha de nacimiento y función de kefren

Lo necesito 84.122.83.133 (talk) 17:57, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nadie sabe su fecha exacta de nacimiento. A. Parrot (talk) 18:22, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]