Talk:U.S. policy toward authoritarian governments

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@Ghazaalch: can we first work on this article in draft space before bringing it to article space? VR _talk 19:42, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent:. Yes. Sure. Thanks for the move. Ghazaalch (talk) 04:04, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also ping @TheTimesAreAChanging:.VR _talk 04:33, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TheTimesAreAChanging I'd be happy to use your comment in this article too.Ghazaalch (talk) 06:18, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This draft is better than your previous efforts in that it takes a big-picture view of the topic as a whole without excessive granular detail on specific cases. That said, text like "the United States was firmly on the side of the most brutal, corrupt, and unpopular regimes" is strikingly essay-like and non-neutral; such a sweeping generalization usually requires in-text attribution.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 07:11, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Vice regent. Any comment on the article?Ghazaalch (talk) 07:38, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Try to develop the sections? The lead should be a summary of the article. So if you talk about certain countries in the lead, make sure they have had some coverage in the article.VR _talk 06:18, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Vice regent. Is it better now?Ghazaalch (talk) 08:46, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it is a bit better. We should also include examples of US opposing authoritarian governments, such as North Korea, China, USSR etc.VR _talk 15:32, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent: Could you possibly add the examples yourself, or introduce me the sources that art talking about the "opposing authoritarian governments" explicitly? Ghazaalch (talk) 09:41, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Try this one[1], its available on google books too.VR _talk 13:44, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This paper contains good analysis on US policies towards authoritarian gov, including why the US rationalized supporting them. On page 33, there is a table about US military support for selected non-democratic countries.VR _talk 13:44, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Vice regent. I added some content from the second source. Would you help rewriting them in a wikivoice? Ghazaalch (talk) 07:53, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent and TheTimesAreAChanging: Do you think the article is ready to be published now? Ghazaalch (talk) 05:17, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the late reply. I'd still try to make it NPOV. There is no mention of the US opposing the authoritarianism of the Soviet Bloc or Communist China, both of which were indisputably authoritarian.VR _talk 16:47, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again Vice regent. This is the whole thing I could find concerning "US opposing the authoritarianism of the Soviet Bloc or Communist China". I hope it is good enough.Ghazaalch (talk) 06:57, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent: Any other comment? Ghazaalch (talk) 03:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I have been a bit busy, but can look at it soon.VR _talk 14:21, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Vice regent. I'll be waiting for some more days. Ghazaalch (talk) 07:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you organize the "Examples" section by region? VR _talk 04:48, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so.Ghazaalch (talk) 05:58, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not neutral

The article only talks about the times the US supported authoritarian governments, and not when they opposed them. There's the Monroe doctrine, Hitler, the Soviet Union, Castro, Saddam Hussein, etc. It also uses biased sources like Noam Chomsky and The Intercept. Cambalachero (talk) 19:19, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with this, particularly in the most obvious cases, which would be communist authoritarian governments. --NoonIcarus (talk) 08:51, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, also to add Slobodan Milosević too, this article looks like something what would publish RT and Sputnik and similar "media sources". Serious pov stuff. 79.101.214.253 (talk) 05:45, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"and not when they opposed them" When has the United States opposed authoritarian governments? Dimadick (talk) 07:35, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I support changing the content of this article, but I also support keeping the article and its title as many of the governments mentioned in the article the U.S. supported were clearly authoritarian.

The U.S. does support representative governments, but this article's content is about U.S. support for authoritarian governments. Many of these authoritarian governments were during the Cold War, and it must be highlighted that many communist governments besides the USSR & Eastern Europe were also authoritarian--Maoist China, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, etc. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 03:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]