Talk:Paul McCallum (footballer)

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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain ^t/c 15:35, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Paul McCallum (footballer, born 1993) → Paul McCallum (footballer born 1993) – I would like the comma permanently removed from the article title, so that it's consistent with other similar articles. JMHamo (talk) 21:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 21:46, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I remember the guideline for disambiguating names changing not too long ago, but I disagree with the guideline. WP:IAR. Common/best practice should win out, and that is to have the article titles of footballers without the commas. Giant Snowman 21:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - as long as WP:NCPDAB says use one then there should be one.22:41, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Oppose per WP:NCPDAB. As I said when made aware of the amended guideline, I'd prefer the football project to be to be joining other projects in gradually working towards a common Wikipedia-wide method of disambiguating that particular subset of biographical articles, rather than, by digging its heels in, gradually working towards being different from the rest of Wikipedia. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 00:03, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I'm aware the only Project that actually uses the comma is the Cricket one, and so they were unusually vocal in pushing for the change. It would be much easier (based on number of articles) to get them to adopt the comma-less convention. If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Giant Snowman 09:18, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Must say, I don't remember the cricket project being involved in the various RfCs at all. As far as I recall, there was an initial RfC to decide whether to have a standard format for date disambiguators, and then another (others?) to agree on the preferred format. The RfCs were started by User:TonyTheTiger, an American editor with interests in US sports, Chicago, and presumably standardisation, and participated in by people who watch the various pages where such discussions are advertised.
The football project used to disambiguate by playing position or by nationality rather than/as well as by date of birth, but I'm sure you remember people going round changing dabs to date of birth whether the position/nationality dab was broken or not. Nobody's trying to impose immediate adoption of the comma convention, but I don't see how gradual adoption prevents [us] from improving or maintaining Wikipedia. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:51, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the current text at WP:NCPDAB was the result of my RFC.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support for consistency with other footballer articles; we either need to wholesale change all other footballers to include the comma, or make this one match them. — Amakuru (talk) 11:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 14 February 2015

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The result of the proposal was moved. "Footballer" is only used as a disambiguator for association football players on Wikipedia, but a hatnote will aid any readers who don't already know this. --BDD (talk) 20:42, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Paul McCallum (footballer, born 1993) → Paul McCallum (footballer) – unnecessary disambiguation Joeykai (talk) 19:36, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agree There's no other footballers called Paul McCallum, so don't need the born 1993 bit. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:44, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Paul McCallum is a candian footballer, i know its not soccer but I'm not sure simply footballer is enough.Blethering Scot 19:58, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"When there are multiple people with the same name, and one of them is a footballer:

a. If the person is neither American nor Canadian, use (footballer)" from WP:NCSP Joeykai (talk) 20:27, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Paul McCallum lists two people who play football. "footballer" should point to the disambiguation page -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 05:30, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support since per WP:NCSP, the disambiguator "(footballer)" refers to players of association football, whereas the disambiguator "(""" football) refers to players of gridiron football. Steel1943 (talk) 14:46, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. JMHamo (talk) 00:37, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support - unneccessary disambiguation. Giant Snowman 13:22, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Move to either Paul McCallum (footballer) or, if this is not seen as disambiguating enough, to Paul McCallum (English footballer). -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:56, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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