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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

Moved, 3 November 2021, from Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) to Poker Face (song), see discussion.
No consensus, 22 March 2022, from Poker Face (song) to Poker Face, see discussion.
Not moved, 30 April 2023, from Poker Face (song) to Poker Face (Lady Gaga song), see discussion.

Requested move 3 November 2021

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move - Whilst !voting is evenly balanced, the support !voters have provided a much clearer basis for their position in WP:PDAB and in the relative popularity of the the two pages indicating that the Lady Gaga song is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.(non-admin closure) FOARP (talk) 19:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) → Poker Face (song) – This is the most common song with the name "Poker Face." TheRafaMarc15 (talk) 05:17, 3 November 2021 (UTC) TheRafaMarc15 (talk) 05:17, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:PDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 08:44, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as there's at least one other song with an article. If this was the primary topic, it would simply be at "Poker Face". Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:07, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, and next editor Speedy close - the rationale of RM is false Poker Face (Ayumi Hamasaki song) In ictu oculi (talk) 17:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- The only thing false here is your statement. You should know better at this point that partial disambiguation is allowed. -- Calidum 22:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. There is no point in having an incomplete title ambiguity. If it isn't a primary topic, make it clear what the article is. Gonnym (talk) 18:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support; the Ayumi Hamasaki exists with only one source and should be sent to AFD. This is clearly the primary topic by way of long-term significance (and I would in fact suggest it be moved to "Poker Face" with a hatnote from poker face, but I don't feel that's a move that's likely to garner support). Sean Stephens (talk) 22:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I wonder if anyone actually reads WP:PDAB, because “partial disambiguation” is explicitly allowed in cases like this. -- Calidum 22:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Agree with Calidum that partial disambiguation is explicitly allowed per WP:PDAB, so I'm confused as to where the opposition is coming from. In fact, the PDAB page specifically lists the Thriller album as an example. Gaga's page has almost two orders of magnitude more views than the Hamasaki song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Combefere (talk • contribs) 21:42, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Calidum; I'm neutral on a move to Poker Face and relying on Small Details to distinguish from the dab Poker face. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 00:19, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 22 March 2022

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. The nomination statement for this discussion was just a bare assertion of primariness without any supporting evidence, and some editors opposed for this reason alone. Among those who engaged with the merits of the move per se, editors were roughly split, depending on how they weighed the pageviews, the disambiguating power of WP:DIFFCAPS, and the long-term significance of blank expression. (closed by non-admin page mover) Colin M (talk) 14:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Poker Face (song) → Poker Face – This is the REAL and LEGIT PRIMARY TOPIC. RapMonstaXY (talk) 00:23, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

oppose the expression is clearly the wp:primarytopic—blindlynx 04:00, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for the same reason as above. Poker Face is a common expression and more likely to be referenced than this song. While we're at it, this article should probably be renamed Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) since it's not the only song named Poker Face with an article. --Shadow (talk) 06:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Would just like to add onto my comment...at the time I made it I didn't not see the above conversation about naming it Poker Face (song) vs Poker Face (Lady Gaga song). Based on the consensus above, it seems the majority supported just (song). Shadow (talk) 19:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose putting your point across in ALLCAPS doesn't make it so. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:40, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This article shall be renamed to Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) per ShadowRanger. RapMonstaXY (talk) 08:41, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per above if the page is not moved I'd weakly support moving it to Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) since this one gets 7,436 views but the other gets 216[[1]] though I'd agree it is well known especially for the title case version so there may be a case for it to be primary overall. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per reasoning above and because ALLCAPS is a bit alarming. No opinion on moving to Poker Face (Lady Gaga song). ResPM (T🔈🎵C) 12:12, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support based on pageviews this is the primary topic for the title case. Showiecz (talk) 12:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose in a hundred years, I find it far more likely that people will be talking about the expression than the song, as was the case 100 years ago. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 15:05, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support per WP:DIFFCAPS. While the expression is undoubtedly the primary topic by long-term significance, it is capitalized differently than the song, so we have a situation analogous to (for example) ice cube vs. Ice Cube. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:35, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - no particular argument or explanation has been provided by the nom. Sergecross73 msg me 04:32, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support But not per nom. Rather, WP:DIFFCAPS shows that we can have Poker face and Poker Face at the same time. I also suggest moving poker face to Poker Face (disambiguation) and making poker face a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to blank expression. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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"Poker face" or "Fuck her face"?

I would like to correct the lyrics in the captions for the song snippet. I've submitted the obviously-correct lyrics but they keep getting reverted unfairly. -- 71.193.20.55 (talk) 20:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Link to discussion: TimedText talk:Lady GaGa-Poker Face.ogg.en.srt § "Poker face" or "Fuck her face"? -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 20:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just copying this first argument here for the record, as it should have been included originally:

My corrections to the lyrics are accurate and very easy to verify, and my reasons given are included in the edit history.

The lyrics are very clear - literally, just listen to what she's saying in that portion. Just listen to that portion of the song, which is clipped and provided on the song's page right here on the Wiki. It's very very clear. Here are some links for additional verification:

People Are Realising How Rude The Lyrics To Lady Gaga’s Poker Face Are - LADbible

Why are Lady Gaga's Poker Face lyrics trending? - The U.S. Sun

The Real Lyrics To Lady Gaga's 'Poker Face' Are Way Ruder Than You Thought - ELLE Australia

-- 71.193.20.55 (talk) 20:46, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

While this discussion is now two-years inactive, it does seem to still be a point of contention based on the edit history of the article proper as recently as a month ago, so I feel the urge to weigh in. The addition seems to keep being reversed based on "lack of proper source", which the above few might not be good enough to count as even if properly added in ref tags. But, to note, the other discussion on the TimedText talk page does show the fifteen year old concert clip of the artist herself (as well as, because this is not the era that King and Goffin got their start in, writer) admitting to the fact that the explicit lyric is in fact correct. And that's apparently enough proof for the TimedText namespace page itself. It seems silly to keep it from the article and continue to assert that it isn't the fact that she so readily acknowledged less than a year after the song came out. It's not much different from Let's Get It Started in the grand scheme of things. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 16:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 April 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Clear PRIMARYTOPIC. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 14:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Poker Face (song) → Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) – Last 2021, I proposed this page title changed from Poker Face (Lady Gaga song) to just Poker Face (song), but why did I have to propose it in the first place? I checked the dab page and there is another song named "Poker Face" with an article, and that is the song by Ayumi Hamasaki. Maybe the current article title for the Lady Gaga song is not fine after over a year, so I propose to reverse this move in 2021. RMXY (talk) 07:03, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy support per WP:DISAMBIGUATION In ictu oculi (talk) 08:21, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The Lady Gaga song is the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the song [2]. Estar8806 (talk) 14:33, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such thing as WP:PRIMARYSONG any more than WP:PRIMARYMOLLUSC In ictu oculi (talk) 14:46, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, but there is a primary topic between one of the world's best selling singles of an all time, and a song that peaked at no. 20 in Japan. Estar8806 (talk) 15:49, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. These cases are specifically provided for by the last paragraph of WP:INCDAB. - Station1 (talk) 20:34, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This song averages 567 hits per day compared to 11 for the other one.[3] - Station1 (talk) 20:34, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose obvious primary topic. --Killuminator (talk) 21:48, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it's undoubtedly the primary topic for songs titled "Poker Face" in terms of pageviews, global impact, long-term significance, etc. Heartfox (talk) 22:02, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as the Lady Gaga song is without a doubt in my opinion the primary topic in this instance. Aoba47 (talk) 22:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. If there was a WP:PDAB situation for a song that would meet the caliber of Thriller (album), it would be this. Steel1943 (talk) 02:39, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Multiple songs named "Poker Face", the current title causes confusion between the songs. Din oz1 (chat?) 18:08, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination, In ictu oculi and Dinoz1. Poker Face (song) is indeed incomplete disambiguation and should redirect to the Poker face#Music disambiguation page. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Meets the Thriller standard IMO. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:45, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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