Talk:Security Force Assistance Brigade

The 6th SFAB, Army National Guard, has been designated as the 54th SFAB.

Should we continue to list it as the 6th SFAB or the 54th in the article? We can confuse people either way. Subordinate units are being designated as part of the 54th Security Force Assistance Regiment as per references.Mikeofv (talk) 00:39, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

2nd SFAB, Ft Bragg

Here is a citation for 2nd SFAB, 4th Battalion (Field Artillery) This is detail for one of the battalions. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 22:00, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

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Is it similar to the former Military Assistance Advisory Group

Military Assistance Advisory Group ?

Sammartinlai (talk) 09:53, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes. SFAC CG Mark Landes credits MAAG as part of the SFAB's ancestry so, MAAG → SFAB. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 10:11, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

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Yes and no. MAAGs were groups of officers permanently sent to a specific foreign country (with the odd NCO, yes). They trickle-posted in and out. SFABs are permanent, standing, formations, with a much higher NCO count, that will be much much more like standard infantry/armoured brigades. They will deploy and go home in chunks, all officers and NCOs together. MAAGs usually dealt with much higher-level details - often weapons sales and associated training - in Army Chiefs' of Staff offices and MODs. SFABs are designed much more to assist army and or other service units. Buckshot06 (talk) 14:16, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

That helps clarify for me the 2018 Army Strategy Line of Effort #4 about Alliances and Partnerships. There definitely is another Security Assistance Command, different from SFAC. This shows that coordination between the various forms of assistance stems from other sources than only military power projection. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 15:09, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, 'security assistance' (see Security Assistance Program; Defense Security Cooperation Agency, United States Army Security Assistance Command etc, dealing with weapons sales, to a great degree) is very much different to 'security force assistance'. Buckshot06 (talk) 21:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

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So yes, no, or not similar to? Was wondering if it should go under a "See Also". Sammartinlai (talk) 06:58, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Security assistance definitely is a governmental function. The form of assistance lies on a spectrum. What the Army can supply versus what could get done. For example, on the NATO exercises in Poland this past year, some countries required assistance because their troops are not trained for cold weather. So they trained jointly on how to master cold weather. Perhaps a link to a Security assistance section in an article on international cooperation? The US Army uses the term 'strategic competitor' and encourages international exchanges among the regions. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 10:54, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

From my research, I would encourage a focus here on the military security force assistance in accordance with the definition - 'Unified action by the joint, interagency, intergovernmental and multinational community to generate, employ, sustain and assist host nation or regional security forces in support of a legitimate authority. SFA is a broad framework that spans the spectrum of conflict focused on assisting foreign security forces in support of US and Coalition interests regardless of operating environment.' ([1]). Security cooperation and security assistance deal with much more national-level rather than troop-level things. (signed) Buckshot06

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4th SFAB

I found some citations

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--Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 09:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)