Talk:Simshar incident

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This page needs more information related to the Search and Rescue, the discovery of the victims' bodies and, especially, the aftermath of the incident (public enquiry, any changes in safety regulations etc.). Nevborg (talk) 15:58, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tragedy or incident?

I'm not convinced that calling this incident a tragedy is a neutral way to approach the subject. What are other people's thoughts on this? --ToniSant (talk) 13:48, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I think referring to it as an incident might be more appropriate. If there are no objections, I will change the title accordingly --Nevborg (talk) 16:33, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Would you/we move this article to one called Simshar incident or should it be called Simshar and ensure that the page currently called Simshar points to Simshar (film) instead? I don't think a disambiguation page makes sense in this case since Simshar is not a common name and the film is based on the factual events that took place in this main article. --ToniSant (talk) 16:42, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think the best idea would be to have Simshar direct to the page related to the incident itself, whereas Simshar (film) directs towards the page related to the film. I'll work on this. --Nevborg (talk) 18:09, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the move to Simshar (film) has been performed successfully. However, we now have a disambiguation page which, to me, seems unnecessary. The page Simshar should be about the fishing boat and its true story. It should not be called Simshar tragedy. However, this means that the pages should be rewritten, at least in the lead paragraph so that it's about the fishing boat (and its final fate) rather than just the "tragedy". A disambiguation line at the top of the Simshar page in reverse to what was present on the Simshar (film) page earlier would work well enough, so I've now added this to prepare for a re-working of this page so that it's about the fishing boat (including the way it was destroyed etc.) rather than the "tragedy". --ToniSant (talk) 19:09, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've been trying to move Simshar tragedy to its new home in Simshar but I'm not being allowed to do. I think it's because Simshar is automatically redirecting to Simshar (film), so I'm being told that the Simshar page already exists. I need to figure out how to break that redirection and re-write sections of the new Simshar page accordingly.--Nevborg (talk) 23:39, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've never really experienced this sort of issue before so I'm not sure what to do. I suspect there may be a help page somewhere about it but I can't look for it right now. Perhaps you or I will manage to do that later. If that doesn't work out we can always ask for admin help! :-) --ToniSant (talk) 10:12, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't really managed to find a solution to this - I brought it up in the Wikipedia:Teahouse to see if I could get some guidance on the matter. The general suggestion was to rename Simshar tragedy to something along the lines of Simshar incident or Simshar shipwreck, not Simshar, given that it is notable because of the incident, rather than the boat itself. Simshar (film) could be linked to that page either through a disambiguation or, ideally, a hatnote.--Nevborg (talk) 22:09, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My initial hunch was towards Simshar incident, as indicated by the title of this discussion. Let me know if you need a hand making the move. --ToniSant (talk) 16:05, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]