Talk:Wrecked (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

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Please help complete the Angel/Buffy episode articles. See what needs to be done on this sub-page of WikiProject Buffy:

Wikipedia:WikiProject Buffy/Episodes

Also please help update any major changes made to episode articles on that page so that progress can be mapped.

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Please, don't delete these pages. It's easier to fill in the blanks if the structure has been homogeneized so that people knows what needs to be written and where. If you look, you'll notice that many pages in Project Buffy have been created in this way. I do not understand why anyone would prefer a blank page rather than a schematic but correct one just waiting to be filled in.

Abaraibar 10:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

A blank page though might mislead someone who looks at the episode listing into thinking that these episodes have already been written about. (Red link vs. blue link, or no link vs. blue link). I'll confess to not being entirely familiar with how Wikipedia handles episodes, but something tells me this probably one of a handful of shows with a page dedicated to every episode. (And I note from my experience with albums/music that people are discouraged from writing an article about every track in an album, for example– just as I'd hope people would be discouraged from writing an article about every episode in a season). In any event, I'm going to stop marking these for speedy deletion once I finish this season off. While I'm fairly confident they're eligible for speedy deletion, if they're not, I'll need to AfD them instead (at which the community can take up your arguments). —Locke Cole ^{(talk) (e-mail)} 10:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Your arguments are reasonable and you certainly have a point. However, I can assure you that most of Buffy the Vampire Slayer episodes do have content and that the number is growing. I myself --among others-- see to that, but I can't dedicate much time to it (if you want an example, have a look at the 3rd season of List of Angel episodes, where I'm working at the moment). There's a whole project (Project Buffy) dedicated to it and since it's quite a cult show and not a minor thing, my guess is that it's going to be done sooner or later. Deleting them will just give more work (and repeated) to the participants. -Abaraibar 12:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I sympathize with your position, it's a lot of work to take on. But at the same time, it would probably make more sense to work on these in user-space and then move a properly stubbed out article into article-space as you complete it. These aren't even stubs IMO, except for stating that it's an episode of a series and which episode it is and which season it's from, these articles are largely blank. Someone expecting an article (or even a short stub) will probably be annoyed by articles like this. (And again, alternately, someone looking to contribute may assume these articles are finished since all the links appear, at first glance, functional). The work to setup the article formatting is small in comparison to actually writing the content for all the sections listed. In any event, I notice my CSD tags are being reverted en masse– I'll likely follow through on the AfD nominations and let them settle it (and we can both make our cases heard there as well). Again, I have total faith that you (and those who edit these articles) really intend to finish them up, but most of these have been sitting stagnate for 2-3 months now. Working on these in user-space (e.g. - User:Abaraibar/Wrecked (Buffy episode) for example) and then moving them (either literally using page move, or copying the content as needed) would probably be easier on you as well as users browsing the episode listing. —Locke Cole ^{(talk) (e-mail)} 19:03, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I guess you admins have to look at the big picture. I respect that. Do what you consider best. Only consider if a properly formatted page is not a stub in its own right. -Abaraibar 08:27, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I gave you the impression I was an admin; I'm not. =) I'll reiterate what I've said above that this isn't a personal issue, and I have no problems with these articles existing some day, but in their current form I think it's a bad thing. If/When I tag them for AfD, I'll have to tag each individual page as well, so you should notice on your watchlist if you have these there in case you want to try and argue to keep what there is. —Locke Cole ^{(talk) (e-mail)} 10:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: Knowing on which episodes to work on: Wikiproject Buffy internally marks the episodes in various stages in its project page. Anyone seriously working on pages should probably co-ordinate with Wikiproject Buffy (which is why I added the project template to the top of the page).

Please note that the pages do have content! It might be stubby and listy, but it has stuff which is actually a bit of work to gather (date, number, writer, director and guest stars, etc.) If you feel the need to AfD, please start with only AfDing one sample page, after which we can determine precedent. Thanks in advance MosheZadka

I'm not trying to make a point here, I'm trying to ensure that people who visit WP aren't confronted with skeletal articles. As per my talk page, I'm going to hold off on AfD since you (specifically) seem to be adding proper stubs to these articles. If I did nominate them for AfD (note the if) I would likely lump the offending articles into a single nomination and not nominate them each individually. —Locke Cole ^{(talk) (e-mail)} 12:53, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to contribute more to these articles, but I'm on a self-imposed minimal-work-only restriction until WP is past its latest round of mass performance problems, which tend to aggravate me so much that I lose my sense of Wikiquette. I don't know if Wikiproject Buffy is sufficiently organized, but perhaps we could each adopt one or two articles to focus on, so the overall work would be less daunting (and require less patience with those irksome "Wikimedia Foundation servers are currently experiencing technical difficulties" pages, 2 more of which popped up while I was trying to save this @%#@$*@# posting). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

OK. I've started with Smashed and Life Serial and I'll try to adopt some more as soon as I can. If someone can remember anything else about those eps, I'll be happy to see them updated. -Abaraibar 10:38, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)