Template talk:Infobox waterfall

Usage

{{Infobox Waterfall
| name = 
| photo = 
| photo_caption = 
| location = 
| type = 
| height = 
| height_longest = 
| number_drops = 
| average_flow = 
| world_rank = 
}}

Please note that all fields are optional except name.

Old Table

Lehamite Falls
Lehamite Falls
Location:	Yosemite Valley, Yosemite National Park, California, United States
Type:	Cascade
Total Height:	1,180 feet (359 m)
Longest Single Drop:	n/a - cascades only
Number of Drops:	n/a - cascades only
Average Flow Rate:	unknown
World Height Ranking:	195

If anyone wants to change the appearance of the template to look more like the old table that used to be on a few pages, go ahead. This is what it looked like (to the right). — Chris ( t c ) — 22:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't have the skillz to change it, but it definitely looks better without the internal borders. 5minutes 17:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

World Height Ranking...

Is this field really necessary? It seems like it could change frequently as that site adds additional waterfalls or updates existing heights. Also, not all waterfalls that exist are listed on that site. --MattWright (talk) 17:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll echo this comment. There's enough debate about "highest" waterfall, whether talus is included, etc. that this field seems a bit extraneous. 5minutes 17:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I would also agree that this field is not something that should be used. There are many ways a waterfall can be measured, depending on personal tastes, so its more subjective than it could be. We're constantly tweaking the data in the World Waterfall Database to reflect our research and it'd just create needless extra work to maintain it on wikipedia too. I'd suggest leaving it off and linking to sites that can verify its size.Bryan Swan | World Waterfall Database (talk) 22:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

locator x and locator y

I think an optional locator x and locator y should be added, using Image:Locator Red.svg. This way if their is no picture of the waterfall, someone could add a blank map and use locator x and locator y to make a red dot. Nocturnal Wanderer ^sign 01:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Great idea! 5minutes 17:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

So can someone please add that in, because I am not sure how to do it. Nocturnal Wanderer 18:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Should we merge the two infoboxes?

{{Waterfall}} and {{Infobox Waterfall}} seem redundant. Should we merge them? hike395 01:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

yeah, this one looks better. Most of the articles with the other template were added by me, so I'll go back and change them to this one. Cacophony 06:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

This one looks good. Is it in use anywhere on WikiPedia so that we could see it in action besides here, where the picture is a nice, pretty red link? 5minutes 17:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Lots of places: for example, Yosemite Falls where it is called like

Yosemite Falls
Upper Yosemite Falls from Yosemite Valley
Location	Yosemite Valley, Yosemite NP, CA, US
Coordinates	37°45′18″N 119°35′50″W
Type	Tiered
Total height	2,425 feet (739 m)
Number of drops	3
Longest drop	1,430 feet (440 m)
World height ranking	18

Done with the merge: {{Waterfall}} is now redundant. I'll call for its deletion. hike395 06:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Internal borders or not?

Should we use internal borders or not? The original {{Infobox Waterfall}} did not have them, but {{Waterfall}} (which was the WikiProject Waterfalls standard) did have them. So, I modified {{Infobox Waterfall}} to have them, trying to find a compromise between the two. I like them: what do other people think? hike395 00:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I vote without. 5minutes 02:56, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Did a quick sample of other geography infoboxes:

Infobox	Has Borders?
Amusement park	No
Bridge	Yes
Country	Yes
Dam	Yes
English County	Yes
Glacier	No
Hospital	No
Islands	No
Lake	No
Mountain	Yes
Observatory	No
Protected area	No
River	No
Spring	No
Theatre	No
U.S. route	Sort of
Vermont park	No

So it does seem that borders are in the minority, although not rare. Anyone else want to speak up? hike395 14:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I just was poking through the common.css for MediaWiki, and found the "geography infobox" table class, which uses horizontal borders and not vertical. I just updated this infobox to use that class, to make it consistent with other geographical infoboxes. Comments? hike395 05:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Run

Should Run (horizontal distance a stream flows through a waterfall) be included in the infobox?

themaee 02:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

No. Its hard enough to determine an accurate height for various waterfalls. Any reference where you see Run listed is more than likely an estimate and thus doesn't belong on Wikipedia due to its speculatory nature (yes, the Run figures used in the World Waterfall Database are largely estimated).
Bryan Swan | World Waterfall Database (talk) 00:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Average width?

The template page says, under "Usage", that there is an "average_width" field, but it is not described in the "Description of fields" section, or anywhere else it seems. Does it work, and if so what does "average width" even mean? Thanks. Pfly (talk) 04:23, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I documented the parameter and I think I have figured out the meaning. Average width is the width of the falls at the crest (brink) when the watercourse is at average flow. So what is the width parameter. I'm not sure. Perhaps, it could be used as a less well defined measurement. For example, some falls are seasonal and average flow might be a relatively meaningless measurement (but then so is width). This doesn't sound like science. Maybe there should be a maximum flow and maximum width parameters? I don't know where an editor could source that kink of data. See Iguazú. –droll [chat] 19:13, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

pushpin map

The documentation needs to describe the use of {{{pushpin map}}}} and include a suitable example — GhostInTheMachine ^{talk to me} 17:22, 25 October 2023 (UTC)