User talk:Anwar saadat/Archive 2

Make sure

Always make sure that the content you upload, primarily those from movie related sites are distributable under the documents quoted by you, anyway thanks

Tux the penguin 14:07, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Who decides if those images are illegal or not? Are you all going to investigate if the studios paid taxes as well? ROTFL! Kollywood is not recognised as an industry yet by the TN government. Those producers don't even issue vouchers for their production expenses! So industrial copyright policies are not applicable here. Plus, all these images are made available for non-commercial use only as a ready-reference for fans and critics. Anwar saadat 17:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but wikipedia posts are licensed by the GFDL, and thus may cause a copyright violation if the country is a Berne convention signatory and the copyright holder asserts his copyright. ⇒ SWATJester

^Ready Aim _Fire! 03:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Userbox help

Your userpage is neat. Can you help me remove the white spaces from my userpage. My userboxes are not aligned and I have absolutely no clue as to what to do about them. Anwar saadat 23:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I've arranged your userboxes with the same table I use on my userbox subpage. You should be able to pick up the style of arrangement by looking at how I have done it. This has got rid of all the white space, except where you have included odd sized userboxes, or userboxes that have been deleted. To see other ways to arrange your userboxes, see the section of Wikipedia:Userboxes entitled "Grouping userboxes". Blarneytherinosaur 08:48, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! You are the best, mate! Thanks a ton!! Anwar saadat 10:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. It looks like you have got the hang of the table already. Blarneytherinosaur 02:20, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re:How long should we wait?

On the Ajith talk page, Prin has said that he doesn't mind if the external links are incorporated into the template he insists on using. I would suggest the following format:

Acting filmography
'Prema Lekha (Telugu) songs (1996)	[Insert Role Here]

Don't you think the user(s) on the other side of the conlict would accept this compromise? --Tantalum T e lluride 21:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have absolutely no problem if Prin includes all the collected info within his template. But he expects others to do it. Anwar saadat 21:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interlanguage links (Tamil Nadu)

I noticed you made a reversion on Tamil Nadu, changing the links from the usual interlanguage links (which usually appear in the lefthand side, below the toolbox) to a list of normal links. Wikipedia:Interlanguage links probably explains it better, but the correct way to make links to the same article in another language is [[da:Tamil Nadu]], not [[:da:Tamil Nadu]]. Happy editing! Rasmus (talk) 18:55, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, the correct way to make a cross-server link is to start with a colon. Go to both versions and try which method is working. Anwar saadat 19:05, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, if you want a normal link to an article on another language/project, you would start with a colon. However, for interlanguage links there is special code in place, which places an "in other languages" box on the left-hand side, if you make the links without the colon. Rasmus (talk) 19:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, sorry! My bad. Will restor cross-server links in other articles too. Anwar saadat 12:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vijay (actor)'s Article

Hi Anwar,

I always liked your work and the stubborn attitude you showed on Ajith's article. But when I saw your edits on Vijay (actor)'s article, really i was disappointed. You might not be a great fan of him, but why do you add those debut with a "Flop film", Aathi's red card issue describing very harshly.

As you edit more on Ajith, When it comes to Ajith's flop film it is a musical hit and never mention the film flopped badly. But in the case of Vijay, the film is a flop and big slump in his career, why this partiality? If you edit in a such a way for Vijay, do the same with Ajith describe all his flop films and the continuosly flops he gave. Be neutral on dumping ...

We must be neutral when we present an article at wikipedia. I wish and request you to improve Vijay's article as Ajith's. Keep doing your good work. --M.arunprasad 05:09, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arun, I am not anti-Vijay. I didn' say anything about Vijay's early films bcoz I didn't have the data. But Aathi is a wash-out and I have given the sify link. So I can't change that. But I have removed the prefix "flop" from Naalaya Theerpu. As regards, Ajith's "so-called flops", I have access to trade registers that say Nesam and Red celebrated 100th day in southern districts. Raja was dubbed into Telugu. I don't know where you get the idea that Vijay films never flop while Ajith films never win!

I hope you appreciate that I added Jana as the biggest flop for Ajith but Madhu wants to paint a rosy picture for Vijay and blank links saying Aadhi is his biggets flop. He is quoting Sun TV's circus ranking as a proof! If you have link from sify saying the film is a flop, please add it. Vijay gave half-a-dozen utter flops before Thirumalai. But I didn't post that article. So please don't blame me as partial. All know Ajith (not Vijay) is the King of Opening. Anwar saadat 13:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I never mentioned Vijay's never gave flops. I accept and know very well of his flops. I don't know about the King of opening, but i do have some idea on film business. Vijay has given more hits consistently than Ajith and no one can deny that. He might not have acted in more good movies, but he is considered to be the next box office hero after Rajni (if you require link like sify i can get you that). I'm not saying Ajith is below Vijay, but i mean to say Vijay is also another major Hero of Tamil film industry and when you work on Kollywood section, you must try to improve celebrity like him also.

The reason why i contacted you was for (1) Flop film Nalaya Theerpu (2) Aadhi's red card issue with sify link. Which looked like you are dumping him rather improving his article. Anyway, "I wish and request you to improve Vijay's article as Ajith's". You decorated Ajith's article very well and i appriciate you for that, i would be happy to see you do the same with Vijay's article. Keep up your good work --M.arunprasad 06:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I too would like to improve Vijay's article splitting his career decadewise. But there is insufficient data about him. But I will try to gather more info and update soon. Its a myth that Vijay has given more hits than Ajith or anyone else. LOL Otherwise, he should be called King of Opening! I am not dumping Vijay. Infact, I didn't even write about his continuous flops before Thirumalai or about the fake 200th day poster celebrations in the past two years or about the multiple lawsuits dfaced by his films since Pudhiya Geedhai. However, Aadhi's red card matter is undeniable now. He has no films in hand effectively now! Anwar saadat 13:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ajith

I have been informed by several others about the Ajith article you and som other user were the ones to blame. Stop reverting cos it will eventually break the 3 revert rule. I understand Ajith being a guest in Rajavin Parvailey but how is he a guest in Kandukondain Kandukondain. Its like saying Madhavan, Siddharth were guests in Ayutha Ezhuthu. Please use ur common sense! Dissapointingly R.Madhavan 17:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stop writing crap here. We know you are Prin's another alias. Watch KKKK again to know why Ajith did guest appearance in it Anwar saadat 01:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Even i don't agree Ajith did guest role in KKKK, there were only two lead male characters. which was played by Mammooty and Ajith, Abbas played a negative role. Also half of movie revolves around him and Tabu, so Ajith must get the credit as lead hero for KKKK. please watch the movie again and consider my point. --M.arunprasad 06:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, KKKK is a unique story about sisters. It released almost simultaneously with another Ajith film Unnai Kodu Ennai Tharuven. Plus, Ajith's role was kinda walk-in walk-out lasting 50 minutes even though he had two duets. When it released, the media called it as guest role. But anyway, as you guys feel strongly about this, I am changing it to lead role in the article here. Btw, guess who is Jathu! LOL Anwar saadat 13:15, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Anwar. Could you please refrain from adding the words "mega-star" and "mega-blockbuster" and "sky-high" instead of high to the Ajith article, because I think that it is POV to use such extreme terms of aggrandizement.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 01:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KK is infact a mega-blockbuster as it crossed 200 days. These are trade verdicts in Kollywood, not just superlatives. You can verify this with tamilcinema.com database. It is not POV certainly. Similarly, a super star is any actor whose film business is atleast Rs100 million. There are only six superstars in Kollywood. Anwar saadat 01:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, my computer doesn't read the Tamil script, and I can't read Tamil anyway, but a verdict given by an analyst is not necessarily encyclopedic, as they are usually written with a flourishing style - even though Wisden is regarded as a "cricket encyclopedia", cutting and pasting profiles from its website http://aus.cricinfo.com would certainly result in POV such as this from Sachin Tendulkar's cricinfo.com profile

When he became the first batsman to score 50 hundreds in international cricket, Sachin Tendulkar established himself as the greatest of all Indian cricketers. Recognised by Sir Donald Bradman as his modern incarnation, Tendulkar has a skill - a genius - which only a handful have possessed. It was not a skill that he was simply born with, but one which was developed by his intelligence and an infinite capacity for taking pains. If there is a secret, it is that Tendulkar has the keenest of cricket minds. At times in a Test series he looks mortal. But he learns every lesson, picks up every cue, dominates the opposing attack sooner or later, and nearly always makes a hundred. His bravery was proved after he was hit on the head on his Test debut in Pakistan, when he was only 16; and his commitment to the Indian cause has never been in doubt. If captaincy - or rather the off-field management of men less skilled than himself - was beyond him at his first attempt, his reading of the game, and his manifold varieties of bowling, have shown the same acute intelligence. His cricket has been played in the right way too, always attacking, and because he knew that was the right way rather than because he was a child of the one-day age, as he himself modestly said. The awe of opponents was as great as that of crowds. But the finest compliment must be that bookmakers would not fix the odds - or a game - until Tendulkar was out. Surpassed Sunil Gavaskar, his guru, as the leading century-maker in Test cricket with his 35th three-figure score in November 2005.

are most definitely POV, despite being written by the world's most respected, non-tabloid cricket magazine, and have been removed from the Wikipedia article in the past. It has to be molded into encyclopedic language, not suggestive opinions. As for the link, you have to explain that it is a magazine opinion - unless I am mistaken it is not the ranking of an official system?ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 01:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If I say Ajith is the only superstar in India, it is POV. The words used in the article are purely in trade context. For instance, if a film's ROI is 150%, it is called a hit, if ROI is 300%, it is called a blockbuster. KK was a low-budget film whose ROI was over 1,000%, that's why it's called a mega-blockbuster. There is nothing POV about this. Its common knowledge as a matter of fact. Behindwoods.com is a well established magazine that regularly publishes ranks every season based on data collected from South India Film Chamber. Anwar saadat 02:00, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Read Shah Rukh Khan, it's a collection of facts without POV. That's what we should be aiming for. Nobleeagle (Talk) 02:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Read Rajinikanth. That's closer to reality in Kollywood where stardom has deeper roots into the socio-political arena. Anwar saadat 02:21, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I read Rajinikanth and removed on "!". It made a few judgements, but did not use "mega", "super" repeatedly, and it did not make wild claims of massive popularity which segues into cult-like adulation which is obvious even to a person who has only seen one of his films - Asoka. ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 02:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What the...! Are you kidding? The whole section on Punch Dialogues is outrageous and almost reaching idolatry. Anwar saadat 02:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is a list of quotes with which he is associated. How is this idolatry?ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 03:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are a little too liberal in your use of the word superstar, it appears 3 or 4 times in that article as well. Nobleeagle (Talk) 02:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And what exactly is wrong in calling Kadhal Kottai a mega blockbuster? Anwar saadat 02:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please quote its official box office takings/rankings and let the reader decide for themselves.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 02:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In Kollywood, actual box office collections are never given. Instead, data of x number of days run in y number of screens is given. Links to tamilcinema.com db are given already in the article. Most of the Tamil sites use framesets. That's why direct links are not possible. If you have a issue with a line or paragraph, don't blank out the whole section. See [1]. Look at the year 1995 and 1996 and check for yourself that Aasai ran for 210 days and Kadhal Kottai 230 days. Btw, please go through the discussion history before asking repetitive questions that I have answered elsewhere. Anwar saadat 03:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ajith's interview.Hey;you had said that fans know thw box-office results better than tabloid.But I think the hero knows it much better than "fans" themselves.See;Ajith himself has proclaimed Nesam;ullasam and other 1997 releases of his as flops.Atleast now;please let me correct the excesses in Ajith's article.Being an admirer of Ajith;I feel fancruft in his article might only give a wrong public opinion of Ajith and his really sincere fans! S.GaneshKumar 14:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(To Anwar saadat) This is a joke. It's not vandalism. It's a content dispute.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 02:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nobleeagle, another cleanup-person David Crawshaw, myself, Pa7 and Zora and I have all agreed on Talk:Ajith and on the talk of WP:INCINE that highly liberal usage of terms like "super-star", "mega-blockbuster" are POV terms which are not rock-soldily defined or quantifiable, and when we remove with a detailed sentence long edit summary, you revert with the spurious edit summary of "revert vandalism" or "cleaning up". Trolling does not apply either. We have been giving serious comments and questions, not joke comments to stir you up.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 02:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Noble Eagle's version is the last unanimously accepted version of this article. Go through history before presuming and reverting. I am not going to repeat myself. See [2]

I think you have violated 3RR with 1st Revert, 2nd Revert, 3rd Revert, 4th Revert and 5th Revert on May 4 2006. By the way, just so you know that the prospect of you reporting Zora as a vandal is laughable. She is by far the largest contributor to articles related to Indian cinema. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the vandalisms by Zora - 1st Vandalism, 2nd Vandalism, 3rd Vandalism. Does that mean anything? Anwar saadat 09:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They weren't vandalism, so it doesn't help your case. You should be grateful no-one has decided to block you rather than accuse everyone of vandalism. Nobleeagle (Talk) 00:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RFCU on Prin

The check has been done, and the sockpuppets blocked. Jayjg ^(talk) 05:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a ton! Anwar saadat 13:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Its orphaned. SO feel free to remove it. Anwar saadat 13:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fahd Islamic School

I got rid of your sd tag for this one because "questionable notability" is not reason for being speedily deleted, please review wikipedia guidelines. I added a stub, wikify, cleanup, and references tag to the article--let's expand, not delete. Stanley011 04:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

EoI

Hi, Your edits to the Economy of India are good and I would like to involve more with the related sub-articles. But there are a few things, I would like to add. Please cite sources, especially for statistics and format it using {{inote}}. See the formatting of the other references. Also, the article is written in summary style to give a larger picture. So, some of the additions that you have made will be better suited in sub-articles. I hope, you are fine with this. Thanks, --Pamri • Talk 01:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, can you please format your references using {{inote}}, since it will be consistent with the whole article. In this edit of yours, the inote template is used on the left hand side. In this case, add the URL to references & insert {{inote|pagetitle|1}} besides the text. --Pamri • Talk 00:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I really don't understand how inote links work. That's why I didn't use them. Anwar saadat 00:31, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Karnataka

Hi Anwar...I've created taluk level maps for about 80% of all districts in Karnataka (along the lines of the Bagalkot district map). I'm in the process of revitalizing content on Karnataka districts and will no doubt get to all districts eventually. At the end of this process, I hope to have all districts looking in much the same way as Bagalkot does now. Thanks AreJay 13:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You mean you created those taluk maps! I found the taluk maps for TN districts in the government site. Anwar saadat 13:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh okay, I would be careful about using the maps from the TN government site. Images and content from any Indian government site is copyrighted unlike American and British government websites. Please check with the TN website administrator to ensure that use in Wikipedia is permissible. Thanks! AreJay 00:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No these images are available freely in public domain as they were created by GISNIC... similar to the images created by NASA. So no worries. Anwar saadat 00:59, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your notes to admin Jayjg

If you have any concerns with the behaviour of user Zora, you should go to an ArbCom case here; the committee will hear your voice. Thank youZmmz 23:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Accepted meanings

Anwar, you say that it's OK to use words like "super-star" and "mega-hit" because those have accepted meanings in Kollywood fandom. If they have any real meaning (other than "I like this actor" and "I liked this movie") then it must have to do with box office grosses. If you were to give the box office grosses for various movies, that would be fine. We could argue about the reliability of the figures, but at least there would be something there, measurable, discussable. But just saying that Ajith is a superstar and everyone knows what that means, so go away -- that doesn't work for an article meant to be read by millions of people who have never watched an Ajith movie, or who don't know anything about Kollywood, but who might just become fans if the article catches their eye ... and their one-minute attention span. "Super-star" is unverifiable; a box-office gross isn't. I think that we can say "popular" or "well-known" without asking for figures -- those are fairly bland claims. But we just aren't using superstar in the Indian cinema articles. Even for Shah Rukh or Aamir. It's just too subjective.

There are many other problems with your versions of the Ajith and Vijay articles. There are lots of personal judgements; there is lots of hyperbole. That's not OK. We have to write the article so that someone who absolutely HATES Ajith would read it and say, "Well, it's accurate enough." Please try to look at it from that vantage point, and write for the hater, not the fan. Zora 03:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bollywood stars are not as influential as that of Kollywood. That's why they haven't developed a culture of superstardom. All chief ministers of Tamil Nadu since 1967 were erstwhile stars of Kollywood. The nexus between Tamil Nadu State politics and Kollywood is unusually strong and clearly visible in elections. You can't find such a phenomenon elsewhere in India. So stop using Bollywood analogies anymore.

In Kollywood, actual box office collections are not given ever. Instead, x number of days run in y number of screens is given. Links to tamilcinema.com db are given already in the article. Most of the Tamil sites use framesets. That's why direct links are not possible. What personal judgements have you seen in those articles? If you have a issue with a line or paragraph, don't blank out the whole section. See [3]. Look at the year 1995 and 1996 and check for yourself that Aasai ran for 210 days and Kadhal Kottai 230 days. No, I am not going away. Noble Eagle's version is the last unanimously accepted version of this article. Anwar saadat 03:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, that isn't actually my version, it's Blnguyen's. Which you reverted, then he reverted, then your reverted, then I reverted, then you reverted, then I reverted, then Zora began working on. This revert war's getting ridiculous, could you please see WP:NPOV and allow the article to conform with it. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arbcom "votes"

Hey Anwar, you can't vote on that Arbcom page. That's only for the decisions of the arbitrators. Better revert yourself before those guys get angry at you. :-) Lukas ^(T.|@) 16:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What the! Oh, oops... okay! Anwar saadat 16:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zora

Anwar, please stop your accusations. Zora has neither been vandalizing, nor revert-warring, nor making changes without discussion. If you disagree with her edits, discuss it civilly. Your actions yesterday on the Arbcom case were already borderline harassment, now please take it easy and be fair. Read Wikipedia:Vandalism#What vandalism is not, for a start. Lukas ^(T.|@) 17:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me--I beg to differ that someone stating their grievances in an ArbCom constitutes harassment. In fact, I would say your subtle threats to a newbie are against etiquette. Instead, you should provide Mr. saadat with links in Wiki that could help him out in learning the ropes. Anwar saadat please go to the Help desk to have your questions answered--and of course, always stay civil when dealing with others. Good luckZmmz 19:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please save your arguments for arbitration, which is definitely coming in a matter of days against Zora once again unless she changes her attitude. Incase you are unaware, she blanked out whole lines, paragraphs, sections and even supporting links (which are several weeks of hardwork of several contributors) without even a pretense of a discussion. She had the nerve to threaten blocking me citing 3RR when I reverted her trolls in Ajith, Vijay and Rajinikanth. That is crystal clear case of vandalism. What is absolutely outrageous is she admits she has no knowledge of these actors or the Kollywood industry in general. Still she pulls selective POV and NPOV misjudgements from air. From her log, it appears she has not contributed anything to Wiki other than revert others' contributions. Anwar saadat 17:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You don't know what you're talking about. Cool down, and get acquainted with how things work here. You've no chance taking this to arbcom at this stage, you'll just be laughed at. Friendly advice. Lukas ^(T.|@) 18:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the message is received. The fact that you have given a second warning to respected editor Ganeshk proves that. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ajith

I removed the salary altogether. The template shows the title as annual salary. If you have that, you can add that, but please provide a reference. 'Thala' could be used with many heroes. I removed it to keep the article neutral. I left the 'Ultimate star' since he is known by that name. Hope that clarifies. - Ganeshk (talk) 00:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The salary is qualified per film. Read the source links provided already before asking for references. Thala refers to Ajith only. Only a Vijay fan will not acknowledge this matter of fact. Hardly affects neutrality. Anwar saadat 00:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just FYI, Making minor edits to improve the article is not reverting. - Ganeshk (talk) 15:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I think you must be mistaken

Hello User: Anwar saadat,

I am not a sockpuppet and wish not to be one. Please refer back to the Ajith article, I did not revert back to the old format - that was done by User: Naan Kadavul, if you correctly see I had linked the film, Attagasam, the one that I had created. I hadn't known that there was a scandal of the layout of the filmography. And by the way, I did not appreciate what you had done to all my images, they were copyrighted perfectly and they were removed by yourself without a discussion with me. Please, let me off - I'm solely trying to concentrate on the factors of tamil movies - creating half a dozen already - in order to retain User: M.arunprasad' plea of 200 movies. And by the way, please contribute to the movies as well. Happy editing :) Benzee 16:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are being investigated for using sock puppets. Anwar saadat 18:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan

I realise that Holy Ganga's addition of the BBC article was a controversial move considering there are differing opinions on the validity of the index. However, it is important to include this kind of information but with the modifications I made originally -> [4] which includes a link directly to the index plus a BBC article from the following day which shows the Pakistani government reaction. If an edit of this nature is made by another editor, please discuss the matter first on the talkpage and defintely avoid edit wars. Green Giant 22:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The FS Index is neither transparent nor generally accepted benchmark by other countries of Europe. Its conclusions are bizarre. For instance, it ranks China at No.57 and India at No.93! Does that mean China is a failed state? LOL Anwar saadat 22:56, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I think that using the words "failed state" about any country is unacceptable and especially from an organisation that seeks to "explain how the world works". However, the accusations have been made, reported and rejected. The fact that it got a response from the Pakistani government was the main reason I felt it would be better to keep it. It is better to have the issue addressed by us as editors than to remove it and let someone else come along to re-insert it. Green Giant 23:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summary -wrt nobleeagle and dwaipayanc

Anwar, I believe that your edit summary to Hindutva and Pakistan upon reverting Nobleeagle and Dwaipayanc respectively were inappropriate, as in the first case, it is a POV dispute, not a denigratory/nonsense edit, and in the second, you removed a reference to a statistical study which you did not agree with. Please revert and discuss, rather than to label edits you disagree with as vandalism. This applies to your comments to Zora and Ganeshk also.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 03:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop reverting my edits just to satisfy your POV. Those anon edits were very anti-Hindutva and got rid of known facts. So please read WP:NPOV. Nobleeagle (Talk) 08:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stop reverting to fascist POV. Anwar saadat 14:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You know people can get blocked in a couple of hours for being as tiring as you are Anwar. I will revert POV and bias, it's up to you whether you'll take the time to put it back on the page. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Economy of Pakistan

The information is not from the back of the user's head, it is from the very source cited: CIA World Factbook. El_C 07:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RE: eenga konjam moodalam

Hi again. Wikipedia:Civility knows no bounds of language, so please ensure that you adhere to this policy. Also, the use of such excalmative terms or notations such as "mega-star" "!" and "mega-hit," are not considered encyclopedic but are rather viewed as hagiographical. El_C 08:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Civility

Hi! I've noticed that you have been getting into conflicts with many established editors here. Please be civil, avoid name calling and cite sources. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort and we need to work as a team and sort our differences out on the Talk pages. Please note that repeated trolling might get you blocked in the near future. Looking forward to some amicable settlements of disputes by you. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Matter ennanu theriyama pesa koodadhu. Vartta. Anwar saadat 13:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't think we're naïve enough not to understand what you've just written. We are a close knit community and we achieve our goals through collaborative efforts. Please try and understand how we work. If you plan to be an administrator you would have to start being civil and respect fellow editors. This is your last warning, the next time if we get complaints about you we'll have no hesitating in blocking you. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple copyright violations and blanking notices from talk page

Not all of his images appear to be tagged incorrectly, but some of them definatly are. I've warned him about it, but you probably know more about the images than I would, so the best thing to be done is if you could carefully go through them, correcting the tags where applicable, and adding the 'no licence' tag only where it's not what it's tagged as (and there's no obvious tag to replace it with). If he continues reverting you, let me know. --InShaneee 15:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK I will give it a go again. Anwar saadat 16:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming this is referring to Prin. If so, he did the same with his probable sock account, which is now blocked indef. --Rory096 16:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! I just saw that talk page. He has one more sock User:Benzee but it is still under investigation. He uses these puppets to upload images violating copyrights and poll bogus votes. Anwar saadat 16:41, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:ANI#Naan_Kadavul_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs_.E2.80.A2_page_moves_.E2.80.A2_block_user_.E2.80.A2_block_log.29. --Rory096 16:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Benzee too is blocked now. Anwar saadat 16:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

LMAO! The autoblock got him (which means he has the same IP), and he's still saying it's another person. --Rory096 16:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ROTFL! Anwar saadat 16:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Deepujoseph] 3RR

Hello. The rule states that you can have three reverts. Deepujoseph has had three and then stopped, so he has no grounds to be banned.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 00:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apart from that, reverting vandalism does not figure under WP:3RR. - thunderboltz ^(TALK) 08:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion

அன்வர், நீங்கள் இங்கு புதிதாகப் பங்களிக்கத் துவங்கியுள்ளீர்கள். பெரிய மற்றும் சிக்கலான மாற்றங்களைத் தயவு செய்து பொறுமையாக பேச்சுப் பக்கங்களில் விவாதித்தபின் செய்யவும். மற்ற பயனர்களிடம் கடுமையாக நடந்து கொள்ளுதல் இங்கு ஏற்கப்படுவதில்லை. இது ஒரு விவாத மேடை இல்லை, கலைக்களஞ்சியம் என்பதை நினைவில் கொள்ளவும். அடிப்படைக் கொள்கைகளை ஒருமுறை படிக்கவும். ஏதேனும் உதவி தேவையெனில் கேளுங்கள். -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 08:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Beautiful. அண்ணா, நான் விவாதத்துக்கு எப்பொழுதுமே தயார். எனக்கும் கொஞ்சம் நாகரிகம் தெரியும். ஆனால் இங்கு சிலர் விவாதமே புரியாமல் (அல்லது விவாதிக்க தெரியாமல்) கடுமையாக அஜீத் கட்டுரையை கத்தரிக்கிறார்கள், விமர்சிக்கிறார்கள். இவர்களுக்கு தமிழும் தெரியாது தலயும் தெரியாது. பிறகு ஏன் சம்பந்தமில்லாத விஷயங்களில் தலையிடுகிறார்கள். Anwar saadat 12:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In Malayalam, 'vivadham' means controversy. So 'naan eppozhuthume vivadhathukku thayar' will have a very different interpretation there :-) Tintin (talk) 12:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think you understand that he's used it in the sense of a debate. :-) -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 12:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anwar, I can understand the feelings of a fan. I've undergone the same feeling while editing Tamil language and Tamil people. But, once we understand what Wikipedia is and what Wikipedia is not, we'd avoid some fancruft. This is not to say that we put wrong things, but that those do not go well with an encyclopedic style. Also, these facts must be verifiable. If you're a fan of Ajith, I'd request you to read Wikipedia:What is a featured article?, have a look at articles like Henry Fonda and others from Wikipedia:Featured articles#Media, and then start to write a great encyclopedic article on Ajith. I'm sure all the Indian users are well-meaning and would gladly assist you as they've helped bringing Tamil language, Tamil people, and Chennai to featured article status. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 12:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The problem began with the repeat offender Zora (who has admitted zero knowledge of Kollywood mechanics) who blanked whole paragraphs, sections, supporting links in the guise of cleanup. Then she proceeds to insert and delete lines conforming to her POV severely damaging the integtrity of the article. Looking at her log, I realised most of her contributions were mere reversion of others' contributions. I tried to reason with her. But she didn't bother to read through the links, which were proofs of the assertions in the article. So I reverted her changes. Then she went on a character assassination spree invoking support from other non-Tamil friends and well-wishers who began collectively pushing... and bulldozing their POVs.

She tried to remove the links to songs even after being explained that they were pointing to copyright-free IPRS licensed websites. She has already been cautioned earlier in Aucaman case not to engage in revert warring. But the message is not getting across. What she calls as fancruft and hagiography are matters of fact and tantamounts to common sense of an industry watcher. If you go through history of that article, you can see what/how vandalism was fought and removed by myself. One of her backbenchers even had the nerve to remove the nickname Thala bcoz he thought it is POV!

We know what we are doing. But we don't have time to babysit. Anwar saadat 12:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This does happen in a multicultural setting. Don't worry. Such issues can be resolved. Let me come back on this tomorrow after noon. Stay calm and away from contentious articles for a couple of days, you can always go back in history. As for thala, we can properly state that many Kollywood actors are called by such epithets and then give this as a matter of fact. By the way, Zora is not a bad editor, it could be a serious misunderstanding. Everybody commits mistakes. We'll deal with such issues gradually. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 12:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Compromise. I am willing to consider toning down the article if non-Tamil editors (without prima facie concern) are barred from bulldozing blindly their POVs in this article. Then we can move the controversial lines and sections to the talk page and debate gradually until consensus is reached and synchronised with Tamil wiki. Anwar saadat 13:01, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]