User talk:Habst

Category:Usain Bolt has been nominated for deletion

Category:Usain Bolt has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 20:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

GAN 1901 Boston Marathon

I think that the article 1901 Boston Marathon needs some additional work to improve it from C to B class before a GA review makes sense to me. I suggest that you first

• add a Background section with a brief history of the Boston Marathon leading up to this edition and the context of this particular race with only male competitors
• create a separate Route section if possible with a map
• merge the race and results sections into a single Results section
• rewrite the lead to summarize the changed article

– Editør (talk) 12:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 1901 Boston Marathon

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article 1901 Boston Marathon you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Mike Christie -- Mike Christie (talk) 01:02, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 1901 Boston Marathon

The article 1901 Boston Marathon you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:1901 Boston Marathon for comments about the article, and Talk:1901 Boston Marathon/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Mike Christie -- Mike Christie (talk) 22:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Just wanted to add my congratulations, and to encourage you to think about doing some GA reviews -- we are always short of reviewers, and you're an experienced editor and a good writer. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Birth year and age2

Template:Birth year and age2 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 10:43, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Javascript

Something in your recent edit to your personal javascript settings page at User:Habst/gbrTable.js is causing it to become filed in Category:Events at Madison Square Garden, where it isn't allowed to be as user settings pages can't be categorized as if they were articles. Could you please remove it from that category? If this isn't done I'm going to have to take it to VPT to get somebody else with the appropriate editing privileges to step in and remove it, because it absolutely can't be in the category at all. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 13:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bearcat, fixed by adding nowiki tags in JavaScript comments at the top and bottom. Thanks for letting me know. --Habst (talk) 13:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Tim Rowberry

Hi Habst, I am not the editor who stated it reads like it was written by AI and that is not the reason I declined it. S0091 (talk) 15:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@S0091, thanks, I mentioned you because you re-added the {{AI-generated}} template in Special:Diff/1239978925. Not commenting either way yet on whether the draft should be accepted, but I think it's important to be correct about adding that template even if it was based on User:CFA's assessment and initial adding of that template.

Taking a closer look, it seems like there may have been AI paragraphs added in the past but I believe they were removed in Special:Diff/1239950292 yesterday. The AI tag was removed along with the content in that diff, which I think was appropriate as the issue was resolved. --Habst (talk) 15:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I think it's pretty clear that this revision was AI-generated (later formatted as this). That wasn't my main reason for declining it, though. It was additional comment. Seems to have been mostly resolved, although sentences like He emphasizes not only physical preparation but also mental resilience definitely still need some work. It's probably fine to remove the tag, but I'm more worried about AI generating incorrect information than NPOV issues that can be reworded. C F A 💬 15:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Habst, that is not me re-adding it. It was there when I declined it and the diff is showing the tag was moved (the swooping arrow=move) which occurred automatically by the AfC script to place the decline notice (the +). Not a big deal but just wanted to explain. S0091 (talk) 16:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@S0091, thank you for pointing that out, I've struck that part of the reply. Apologies for the tag. --Habst (talk) 17:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

No apology necessary Habst but appreciate it. We've all misread a diff here and there. S0091 (talk) 18:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Arild Busterud

Thank you for fixing Arild Busterud a month ago. This is exactly the kind of procedure I wish other editors would follow--one I believe WP:BEFORE calls for. When you see a problem in an article . . . fix it.

Well instead, many people start a PROD which turns into a NOM for deletion quite easily. I've never done it but it must take some time to set up a full AFD and (lie) state there are no sources. Not one of the people now looking at the article will spend 10 seconds with google to find a solution, but many will spend much longer concurring with the move to delete. If someone like me doesn't notice it and take aggressive action, the article will get deleted, knowledge will be lost and a red mark effectively salts that decision into our history.

I really can't watch all of the articles I do watch. Frankly, I've stopped spending every evening chasing this stuff. As you can see, I didn't notice a message on my talk page for a month. So I want to profusely thank you for doing the right thing, and having the clout and balls to remove an unnecessary PROD. I wish there were more people doing what you did.Trackinfo (talk) 16:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Trackinfo, thank you for the compliment, I've thought for a while how best to respond to this. I think you are a great contributor and I greatly respect you. At the same time, I think it's important to uplift and not put other people down or say things about their intentions even if not by name. Rather than discussing behavior you don't like, I think it's more productive to set an example and do the type of editing you prefer. I hope you understand.

If a page has the {{WP Athletics}} template on its talk page, all AfDs and PRODs related to it will be tracked in one convenient place at WP:WikiProject Athletics/Article alerts. Unfortunately not all athletics-related pages have that template right now (I'd estimate about half do), but the good news is there is an automated way to fix that (details here) I plan on implementing soon. Thanks for your contributions, --Habst (talk) 14:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliments. I do try to follow what I preach in my own editing, but that is silent, unnoticeable because it just happens in the course of editing. However I feel like a one armed paperhanger playing whack a mole defense against a deluge of clueless deletionists who seem to want to remove content for no other purpose than to get their jollies off. That was why I went out of my way to compliment you. You doing right is also not noticed or appreciated, except by me. If those deletionists would simply follow procedures, we wouldn't have the problem, AfD wouldn't be so massive everyday. It would be a simple concept of AGF in someone else's creation of an article to begin with. If you question it, LOOK IT UP first. I wish we could do this nicely, but I think we need a bigger stick. People making X number of unfounded AfDs or prods in that direction, should be blocked from being able to make more. People making an excessive number should get limited. These "discussions" get noticed by such small number of people, far fewer who are qualified to discuss a subject, deleting massive amounts of content can be at the opinion of as few as three people. Even worse CfD's almost always are.Trackinfo (talk) 17:47, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Design flaw

As I was writing you the note above, I ran into a recurring problem. When making an edit, I will place the cursor where I want to make the edit. Particularly if that edit begins with a capital letter, the edit won't occur at the cursor, but instead jumps to the beginning of the paragraph. The cursor keeps jumping backwards so each new sentence then starts writing before the sentence a head of it, meaning I have to cut and paste each sentence, one by one, back into the correct order, if I notice and can figure it out. It seems to happen on talk pages and AFD responses, I can't remember seeing it in article edits which I spend most of my time on. It's relatively new, maybe in the last year or two--just did it again now. I don't know what to take this to or how to get it fixed. Maybe you would have an idea where to post it.Trackinfo (talk) 16:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Trackinfo, hm, this sounds like a browser or operating-system related issue that I've never experienced before. I'm open to trying to troubleshoot here, but it would require more details and I'm not the most qualified to answer. Not knowing more, my first advice would be to use a different web browser (maybe try Firefox if you use Chrome) or go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing and change your default editor (I use the 2010 wikitext editor rather than the newer ones)? You could also try asking at WP:VP/T for more tech support questions. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

A project for WikiProject Athletics

Hi, I've recently been spending most of my time on Wikipedia improving results pages for athletics events and well I've come to realise that I've massively bitten off more than I can chew. I'm not actually a member of the project but I noticed that you are a seemingly active member so you may know people that want to help me with this task.

Essentially I'm trying to standardise the way results pages are layed out and what is included in them, similar to how the recent 2024 Summer Olympics pages are set out e.g. Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metres . My main issue is that thousands of results page don't even include infoboxes so there is no easy way to go from one years results to the other, lesser issues include having heat by heat results tables and the way they are set out and adding champions template at the bottom.

I've done a rough count and well I believe that there are nearly 8500 pages (there could be more that I just haven't found) that need improvement and if it's just me doing it at 10 pages improved a day it will take me 2 years. To see what I mean by an improved page please take a look at any of the men's pages within this template and then see the difference to the women's pages (Template:EC200metres). It may seem like only a slight improvement however other competitions results pages are wildly different to not only other competitions but sometimes even just the next years event.

Please see below a table of competitions results pages I believe need improving and the number of pages for that competition:

Competiton	Rough count number of pages
Athletics at the Commonwealth Games	820
European Athletics Championships	1049
European Athletics Indoor Championships	929
Athletics at the African Games	320
African Championships in Athletics	485
Athletics at the Pan American Games	773
Asian Athletics Championships	516
World Athletics Indoor Championships	526
World Athletics U20 Championships	863
World Athletics Championships	874
Athletics at the Summer World University Games	1,271
Total:	8,426

If you know of anyone that would like to help out or if you have any way of putting this information out to more people it would be greatly appreciated, thank you. Brandon Downes (talk) 19:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Brandon Downes, thanks for reaching out. It's great to have your help, I think you should join the project!

Some tasks, like inserting infoboxes, could be automated with WP:JWB, I have done JWB jobs with more than 8000 edits before so depending on the details I'm open to helping.

What it comes down to is how much of the infobox could be automatically inferred versus how much would require manual intervention. Looking at one of the men's EC 200m boxes, here's what I think:

{{Infobox sports competition event
| event          = <auto-infer from page title>
| competition    = <auto-infer from page title>
| venue          = <auto-infer from parent page infobox e.g. [[1971 European Athletics Championships]]? won't work for marathons and racewalks>
| location       = <auto-infer from parent page>
| dates          = <auto-infer from [[WP:Tilastopaja]]? They seem to have all european champs results>
| competitors    = <could be auto-inferred from Tilastopaja>
| nations        = <could be auto-inferred from Tilastopaja>
| win_value      = <could be auto-inferred from Tilastopaja>
| gold           = <could be auto-inferred from Tilastopaja>
| goldNOC        = <could be auto-inferred from Tilastopaja>
| silver         = <could be auto-inferred from Tilastopaja>
| silverNOC      = <could be auto-inferred from Tilastopaja>
| bronze         = <could be auto-inferred from Tilastopaja>
| bronzeNOC      = <could be auto-inferred from Tilastopaja>
| previous       = <auto-infer from page title>
| next           = <auto-infer from page title>
}}

World Athletics also has a good free database, but it only covers most events post-2018 while Tilastopaja goes back way earlier. To do this in an automated way, I think we'd need to do this:

1. Make a list of all pages that need to be changed

2. Write a JavaScript script that auto-generates the ibox based on page title alone

3. Start a JWB job and use browser console to auto-insert the generated infobox in each article

I want to do some other tasks like this one first, but I'm open to helping with this. --Habst (talk) 15:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I should add that it might be possible to infer gold/silver/bronze with a regex on the page contents, but considering event pages seem to use different result formats, I think parsing Tilastopaja (which has a consistent JSON api) might be easier. --Habst (talk) 15:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah any help would be appreciated. If you let me know how the list needs to be setup I can get on with that. Brandon Downes (talk) 23:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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US NC Templates

You made several edits in these templates. I am going to review these edits but I can see several that need to be reverted. For example you inserted Doris Brown Heritage in place of Doris Brown. That was not her name in most of her competitive career, she didn't marry Ralph Heritage until after winning most of those championships. Heritage was not published in those results. Also you eliminated lower placing American Champions. In the days when international athletes were allowed to enter the US Championships, they could be called champions but the true American champion was the first US citizen. Those names are still relevant. Trackinfo (talk) 19:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

@Trackinfo, thanks for reaching out. I wrote a script (User:Habst/getWikiWinners.js) to automatically generate these types of templates based on reading the historical results from Wikipedia, and I created a page List of USA Indoor Track and Field Championships winners to keep track and create the missing ones. We of course need for it to be correct, though, so open to feedback like this.

• Re: Doris Brown Heritage --  Done. I think that if she is most known by a different name, then her Wikipedia page should be moved to that name per WP:COMMONNAME. The script always links to the Wikipedia name for the person, and the policy WP:NAVNOREDIRECT says that redirects shouldn't be used in navboxes. That being said we can get around this by using a piped link, so I did that as a temporary fix.
• Listing top US finishers -- Should already be  Done. The script automatically can detect if the winner is a foreign guest and will keep going down the results until it finds the top American in each event, so this should already be done. In that case both the winner and American champion should be listed along with the top U.S. athlete's place. Are there any cases you found where this wasn't performed correctly?

P.S. The days in which international athletes were allowed to enter U.S. champs actually never ended. As recently as the 2024 United States Olympic trials (track and field), Lindon Victor was allowed to compete as a guest in the decathlon. They did it so that the meet was "international" and could be listed on the 2024 World Athletics Combined Events Tour and would provide extra ranking points so that it would be more likely the top 3 U.S. finishers would qualify.

Thanks, --Habst (talk) 20:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Re: Heritage. This is a timing issue, sometimes a billing issue with married women. Sydney McLaughlin, Marie-Josée Ta Lou, Chase Ealey, all can take a new name and format it the way they wish, change the master name of the article so it links, but that doesn't change the name they competed under before the change. Trackinfo (talk) 04:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Re:Victor Yes, a lot of these guys know each other and communicate. I know Victor, note who took his picture. He trains here. He likes to drop into competitions to work on a few events, he didn't take it seriously. He couldn't qualify for the Olympics from it. A few decades ago, these hot shots would come to the USA to run against and beat the Americans on their home soil. Eventually that is why they were no longer allowed in, taking lanes away from Americans. Trackinfo (talk) 05:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)