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Image:Buses.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Cblore (notify | contribs).
  • This chart is simply a duplicate of the other chart listed below for deletion except it is missing access icons. Author probably forgot to add them so he uploaded again instead of overwriting his old picture. Is not used in any article. Xtreme racer 18:36, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image:WPG Buses.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Cblore (notify | contribs).
  • The picture was used as a chart for the fleet of buses of Winnipeg Transit but now has been replaced with a proper chart written in wiki language. Now image is not used anywhere. Xtreme racer 18:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image:PrabhupadaManor.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by GourangaUK (notify | contribs).
  • There are already free images of this person (Image:Swami Prabhupada.jpg) and the general concept of the celebration depicted can be illustrated with a free alternative. Abu badali (talk) 00:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: This image specifically places Swami Prabhupada at Bhaktivedanta Manor, in England, in the 1970's, and illustrates the dress, and activity of the members of the movement. A painting or 'created' image would not be an equal equivalent. Gouranga(UK) 11:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    The article doesn't need an image of that specific person in that specific date in that specific location to be understood. The image may be convenient, but hardly necessary. --Abu badali (talk) 14:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This does not satisfy official policy which says "Non-free content is used only if . . . its omission would be detrimental to that understanding [understanding the article's subject]." No attempt is made on the image page to justify why an image of this event is necessary to an understanding of this article's subject. -- Basar (talk · contribs) 06:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Prabhupada_14.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by GourangaUK (notify | contribs).
Image:Prabhupada75.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by GourangaUK (notify | contribs).
  • Unnecessary non-notable nofree image of a religious leader adressing some people, used to illustrate the information that he adresses this people. It doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali (talk) 00:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Images convey far more (and different) information than text can. This photograph illustrates the dress and the format as in the early history of the movement. It is not a commercial image, and gives a much clearer image than a purely textual description. Gouranga(UK) 12:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Dispute - The article does not discusses "the dress and the format as in the early history of the movement". Being non-commercial doesn't extempts the image from our non-free content policy. --Abu badali (talk) 21:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This one appears to be sufficiently tied to the specific article and the article's text to justify fair use. An alternative picture may be impossible since it is historical and the subject is dead. -- Basar (talk · contribs) 06:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    How does this image helps on the understanding of the specific article and the article's text? --Abu badali (talk) 21:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Image is not necessary to understanding the article, violating WP:NFCC #8. howcheng {chat} 00:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Mysweetlordconcert.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ernst_Stavro_Blofeld (notify | contribs).
  • non-free image (claimed to be a screenshot) of a musician performing a song, used to illustrate the information that he once performed this song. It doens't seem to add any noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. Abu badali (talk) 00:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I disagree. The image is almost iconic of George Harrison. Harrison performing My Sweet Lord at the Covert for Bangladesh is significant - I thought I was helping improve the article by adding it. I guess Abu just doesn't appreciate my efforts ♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you?" Contribs 07:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Sid Campbell.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by User talk:Dragun3 (notify | contribs).
Image:Mistulalogo.gif (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Silentaria (notify | contribs).
Image:Forost1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Silentaria (notify | contribs).
Image:Forost2.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Silentaria (notify | contribs).
Image:Deepak dev.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Arun S. Sekher (notify | contribs).
Image:Flame of recca 1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Silentaria (notify | contribs).



Image:JasonWalk.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Lovepollution (notify | contribs).
Image:Lifehouse1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Jumping cheese (notify | contribs).
Image:Yamin.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Simonne (notify | contribs).
  • User claims to have created image themselves, but image is of copyrighted album covers. Also, these copyrighted images, being fair use, can be replaced with a free use image of the singer. Ejfetters 08:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Ace of Base.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Harout72 (notify | contribs).
Image:IHO.pdf (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sreejiagriman (notify | contribs).
Delete. The article needs a re-write, too! — Preceding unsigned comment added by HawkerTyphoon (talkcontribs)


Image:Kirk001.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Blue387 (notify | contribs).
Image:LisaLoeb2.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by LisaLoebOnline (notify | contribs).
Image:EnterpriseCast.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by K1Bond007 (notify | contribs).
  • Unsourced image said to be known to have come from a press kit or similar source. It is more likely from the official website (that, in this case, is not a source for promotional material). We need verifiable source information to backup the claim that this material is intended to be reused by the media. In any case, screenshots could be used to illustrate these fictional characters. Abu badali (talk) 16:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image:DuncanSheik 01 2006.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by ArkansasTraveler (notify | contribs).
Image:Simpleplanpicture.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ian Lee (notify | contribs).
  • Another fair use publicity image of a living band, still formed, and replaceable with a free use image. User states no free image could be found, but numerous musician pages, including numerous band pages, have free use images. Ejfetters 16:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep Per Ian Lee. It is a publicity shot, used on a CD single shot. As for obtaining a free use shot, if you read the article, they haven't toured in over a year.--Wehwalt 21:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not only is it replaceable with a free image, it's not being used in compliance with its tag: it's not being used "to provide critical commentary on the film, event, etc. in question or of the poster itself". —Angr 23:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Phosphoric_acid.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Yelgrun (notify | contribs).
Image:BryceSoderberg.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Nnf05 (notify | contribs).
Image:TIME_Person_of_the_Year_2006.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mb1000 (notify | contribs).
  • Non-free magazine cover that is not necessary to understanding the article text, violating WP:NFCC #8. howcheng {chat} 17:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Considering its use at Person of the Year and the fair use rationale listed on the image page, I do not believe it violates WP:NFCC. Chupper 00:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Considering its use at Person of the Year and the lack of explanation on the fair use rationale listed on the image page, I believe it is not necessary to understanding the article text. --Abu badali (talk) 21:32, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, we can say it with text and be just as informative. -- Ned Scott 22:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think that it probably does help to illustrate the meaning of the article. The rationale is watertight, and so I see no reason to delete. Think of it this way: A short synopsis can describe a book - a book is written using words; a short description can never truly do justice to an image, because an image is not textual! Therefore, a graphical representation is needed to allow the mind to fully appreciate and understand the text in the article. Martinp23 02:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • If this were a free image, we wouldn't be arguing this point. But because this is non-free, its usage must conform to the non-free content criteria, point 8 of which clearly states that if the point that the image is trying to make can be adequately explained in text, then the image cannot be used. And before you try to turn that around on me, no, text cannot always adequately replace images. Non-free content is only used where necessary, not where it's just useful. howcheng {chat} 02:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Hitler_walking_out_of_Brown_House_after_1930_elections.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mav (notify | contribs).

There may be some free images of Hitler (mostly only PD-US) but I sure don't see many of them. Haukur 19:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check commons:Category:Adolf Hitler. Anyway, we just need 1 image of him to throw out all other images that don't add more noteworthy information than showing what he looked like. --Abu badali (talk) 19:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have, some of the images I'm talking about above are commons images. To add a random example Image:Adolf Hitler greets Neville Chamberlain.jpg doesn't even have a copyright tag. Haukur 19:43, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Then those need to be dealt with on Commons. Anyway, I just replaced Image:Svena5.jpg with Image:Adolf Hitler cph 3a48970.jpg from the Library of Congress. I also uploaded Image:Hitler and Mussolini June 1940.jpg and Image:Hitler with other German soldiers.jpg today, both of which come from NARA (see source link for at least PD-US verification). Even if it's PD-US only, that's still better than using non-free images. howcheng {chat} 19:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment We can keep it if it is a Heinrich Hoffman image since it is likely free of copyright Bleh999 02:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I take issue with this: "we just need 1 image of him to throw out all other images that don't add more noteworthy information than showing what he looked like" - I recognise your qualifier "noteworth information", but I fear you don't recognise the range that simple qualifier can cover. Who judges the amount of "noteworthy information" a picture adds? In many cases, a range of three of four pictures throughout an article will show what a person looked like in different jobs, at different stages of their life, as a child, as an adult, at key moments in their careers. One single picture cannot do this. The "we only need one free picture and then we can chuck the rest out" attitude is so short-sighted as to be myopic. Please do not over-simplify complex fair-use issues. I know you (Abu) do good work on non-free images, but please don't go too far. Carcharoth 04:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Hitler-triumph.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Mikiolo (notify | contribs).
Image:Tanya Death.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Anemnon (notify | contribs).
Image:Adolf Hitler cph 3a48970.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Howcheng (notify | contribs).
  • This image is marked Date unknown, author unknown. But if you click "Check for an online group record (may link to related items)" it turns out this image is from circa 1935 and was made by Heinrich Hoffmann (1885-1957), therefore it will not be PD in Germany until pma 70 years (or January 1, 2028). Even if it were PD in the USA, the URAA most likely restored the copyright, and even if that were not so, "Well, this is legal under US law, so let's do it" is not a very compelling argument."[3] — -Nard 20:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Having just read Mr. Hoffman's article, it turns out a 1995 court decision ruled his photos are PD in the US. I have no idea what the effect of URAA in 1996 is on this decision, but I imagine some of the legal eagles here could help out. -Nard 20:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see any reason to doubt the Library of Congress page when it says, "No known restrictions on publication." There are a number of other photos that are being used here as public domain in the US only -- this is not a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, just to note that it's already been established that PD-US is good enough for English Wikipedia. This image would not be allowed on Commons precisely because it's not PD in its home country. howcheng {chat} 21:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • That may be true but it doesn't hurt to solicit opinions on the effects of URAA. It should also be noted the Hoffmann case didn't actually rule the photos were in the public domain[4], instead what it ruled was that the U.S. government didn't owe any liability for taking them under under the doctrine of sovereign immunity. What that means in layman's terms is you can't sue the government for certain acts (in this case a wartime seizure). The judge in the case already had ruled as a factual matter the taking was worth $8 million. In other words, this is a case of "we're violating this copyright because we can." -Nard 22:43, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdrawing nomination. A treaty between the United States and Germany waives all claims on behalf of German citizens for stolen artwork post WWII.[5][6]. I am now seeking consensus for using this image on Commons. -Nard 01:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good find N, according to those links there is no good reason for claiming Hoffmans items are copyrighted in Germany Bleh999 01:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Friends - Chick and Duck.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Stubacca (notify | contribs).