Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Jacky winter nesting.jpg

Jacky Winter nesting

Reason: High quality shot of an interesting scene
Articles this image appears in: Jacky Winter
Creator: Fir0002

Support as nominator --Fir0002 06:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support HE'S LOOKING RIGHT AT US!!! RUN! Staxringold _talk^contribs 08:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Lovely clear picture, excellent quality. I get the feeling from the current crop of FP noms that fir loves the birds... not alone there... hehe Gazhiley (talk) 12:41, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Noodle snacks (talk) 23:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm a bit concerned about the ethics of featuring nesting birds. Lycaon (talk) 11:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Could you clarify this? I guess I'm just not seeing the ethical dilemma. As far as I can understand, I don't think Fir touched/moved the eggs or nest. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 15:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - The foxes who read wikipedia might find out where the birds nest :-) --Muhammad(talk) 16:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Unfortunately they will miss that meal, as the image is not geocoded. --Dschwen 18:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - I wonder if lycaon also would mind featuring images of mating birds. I was about to upload and nominate one, but now I am not sure what to do %-( --Two+two=4 (talk) 19:46, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Some species will abandon a nest if disturbed. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Is that pertinent to a FPC though? If this image was ever released on a suitable license would we be arguing about the ethics of what Kevin Carter did or should have done? Sabine's Sunbird talk 03:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Not really, no. I did support the image. Noodle snacks (talk) 06:53, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        I know, it was more directed at Lycaon. Sabine's Sunbird talk 07:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        
        It is a myth that birds will abandon nests due to any minor disturbance of humans, though they may briefly fly away or even attempt to lead the person/fox away. This is especially true if this only involves a picture and the taker didn't even really come close to the nest. What a silly thing to get in an ethical dilemma about, nesting birds are the bread and butter of a lot of wildlife photogs.D-rew (talk) 05:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        It varies I think from species t species. Some species can be picked off the nest, then placed back down without the bird being remotely concerned (albatrosses) some may indeed decide to abandon. Abandonment is more usual if the disturbance is repeated, which happens to rare species beset by twitchers. Sabine's Sunbird talk 05:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        As Sabine says it is indeed a falsehood that it's a myth, it varies depending on species; see this for example. While it appears Fir has tried to minimise disturbance, including shooting with a 400mm lens, perhaps Lycaon's main concern is that it may encourage less ethical behaviour in others by featuring them. @ User:Two+two=4, mating is a different matter which I doubt would raise these concerns unless you were obviously disturbing the mating, but we certainly have several mating bug images. --jjron (talk) 13:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        I don't oppose taking images of nesting birds if done ethically and responsibly (e.g. here with a 400 mm), and I trust Fir to know what he is doing. I oppose to featuring this kind of images (unless you can assure me they'll never reach the front page as POTD) as to avoid copycats by less scrupulous photographers. Nesting birds are 'easy prey' for spectacular shots but disturbance of nesting birds is an all too sad reality. Lycaon (talk) 14:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. throws a rotten egg at the threaded discussion Durova³⁰⁶ 21:20, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'm sure Fir did his best not to disturb the bird, I would have been more concerned if it was remotely endangered, but the loss of one nest is minimal. Also I would have thought including the picture was more important than whether it's featured or not.Terri G (talk) 12:16, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, great picture. I've watched birds nesting in my garden since I was a little kid, and never has a nest been abandoned apart from once when the chicks were killed by magpies. There is no ethical issue to photographing bird's nests, and even if there was, it would not be our place to judge. The photograph is highly valuable/informative, freely licensed and technically excellent. J Milburn (talk) 22:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Jacky winter nesting.jpg --jjron (talk) 07:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]