Talk:1876 Scotland v Wales football match

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Lemonade51 (talk · contribs) 01:00, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Do my best to clear the backlog; I'll take this one.

• In the lead, "The match was organised by Llewelyn Kenrick who had founded the Football Association of Wales only a few weeks earlier and the Welsh team was selected after a number of trial matches were held at the Racecourse Ground in Wrexham following adverts being placed in several sporting journals for Welsh players or players with more than three years residence to come forward." far too long, should be split into two sentences for coherency. - Done.
• "The FAW selected the side and Kenrick...", who are the FAW? If it's 'Football Association of Wales' then include the acronym in brackets the first time it is mentioned. - Done.
• In background, "Club football was well established in Scotland with Queen's Park having been founded in 1867," avoid noun + -ing form, see User:Tony1/Noun plus -ing for more information. Basically the construction is very clunky, and in many cases the writing can be tighter and clearer without it. For this I'll let you figure out the best way to rearrange the sentence, but I'll be happy to help out if need be. - Done
• Same with "In Wales, association football had struggled to gain recognition with rugby being preferred...", "It would be over twenty years before football became established in the south, with Cardiff City being founded", "Scotland were selected as the opponents, with Wales becoming the first team..." all in the background section. - Done
• "Scotland were selected as the opponents, with Wales becoming the first team...", try "Scotland were selected as the opponents, meaning Wales became the first team..." - Done
• Need ref for the following statements: "...the newly formed Football Association of Wales had hoped for the match to be played in Wales. However, Scotland rejected this due to scheduling issues but did agree to a second fixture to be played the following year in Wales." - Done
• "To be selected, the players had to be born in Wales or have taken up residence in the country for at least three years" had because it's in the past. - Done.
• "In January 1876, a London-based Welshman, G Clay-Thomas,[9] placed an advertisement in "The Field" newspaper" don't think " " are needed for The Field - Done.
• The Field, Western Mail, Bell's Life need italicising, they are publications. Same goes for any other newspapers or magazines mentioned in the article. - Done.
• "Four trial matches were held in total, with further dates being postponed as the ground was being prepared for the upcoming cricket season." → "Four trial matches were held in total; further dates were postponed as the ground was being prepared for the upcoming cricket season." - Done.
• "Druids, including Dr. Daniel Grey who was born in Scotland but had moved to Wales after obtaining his medical license, plus two from local rivals, Wrexham, and one from English club, Oswestry." could you tighten up this sentence? Needs a ref too. - Done.
• " Edwards was a fellow solicitor and member of the Shropshire Wanderers." need citation - Done.
• "As Wales were an unknown team, the match drew a large crowd with the grandstand at the stadium being nearly full, with each spectator paying half-a-crown for entry, and the crowd at pitch side was described as "very thick"." rewrite this sentence - Done.
• "spectators climbed onto the roofs parked taxis and horse buses", comma between roofs and parked taxis - Done.
• "The Scots had a goal disallowed after Joseph Taylor "scored" direct from a corner." why is scored quoted, do the papers suggest it was an illegitimate goal? - Done.
• "The Scots were by now "working better together than their opponents, who showed to more advantage in individual than combined play."" needs ref because it's attributed to a quote. - For the life of me, I can't find it again so removed.
• "On the 40th minute, Lang's centre was caught by David Thomson" remove wikilink on Lang's name - Done.
• Ref 34, Daily Post needs newspaper parameter - Done.

Overall it's a broad article, with some grammar issues. References are formatted consistently, no dead or dab links, one image has appropriate licence. Shall pass once you have addressed my comments, I'll have another look and then will pass. On hold for seven days. Lemonade51 (talk) 01:00, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, I've made a quick start with fixes. I should hopefully get the rest done later today. Kosack (talk) 07:59, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

@Lemonade51: I think that's all of the issues you listed above fixed, let me know what you think. Thanks. Kosack (talk) 10:58, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Changes look good now, can pass. Lemonade51 (talk) 12:50, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

McNeils

The statement about the McNeil brothers being the first to represent Scotland is demonstrably false, James and Robert Smith played in the 1872 match. However, the source clearly states that "fact" so rather than remove it outright, I'm pointing it out on here. Crowsus (talk) 22:33, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Since there are reliable sources (such as Encyclopedia of British Football edited by Richard Cox, Dave Russell, Wray Vamplew) that describe the Smiths as brothers, per WP:UNDUE, we shouldn't select one source over another. Either both claims should be stated or neither. DrKay (talk) 09:45, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

goal order

did mackinnon score the second goal, and lang the third, or did lang score before mackinnon? the prose appears to describe the former order, while the "Details" subsection lists the goals in the latter order. dying (talk) 11:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

last match

the cited 11v11 source appears to list six matches between scotland and wales since 1985, with the last one occurring in 2013. is there a reason why the article body only counts five such matches and mentions the match in 2012 as the most recent instead, or has that part of the article simply not been updated since 2012? dying (talk) 11:59, 11 March 2024 (UTC)