Talk:2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup Africa Qualifier

Africa

@Lugnuts: Hi. As mentioned on my talk page, the guys at Emerging Cricket have seen the tournament guide for the Africa qualifiers with the teams in each group. They are now reporting (without a published source), that potentially both groups will take place in April in South Africa, not Rwanda as suggested here. I will ask for details but they do have a tendency for reporting fixtures before anything is officially confirmed. Bs1jac (talk) 14:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Hopefully all these tournaments will take place. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 14:21, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Well, quite! The franchise circus is one thing, but 'proper' international/domestic cricket... Seriously though, it is getting a bit concerning. Bs1jac (talk) 15:47, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: No public announcement yet, but the ICC have circulated another rescheduling (unsurprising) for Africa. The sub-regional is now going to be November 2021 (still in South Africa, with the regional finals in Nigeria in December. Women's qualifier moving to September (Botswana). Expect to be announced by someone shortly! Bs1jac (talk) 12:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 12:06, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: also some news here of Uganda playing in Namibia in April and something about a tournament in Jersey?!? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 12:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

The tournament in Jersey is presumably the CWC Challenge League. I know Namibia mentioned various tours for this year, the first being the women's series against Zimbabwe which was cancelled. Bs1jac (talk) 12:58, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Of course! Forgot all about that CWC league, haha. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:05, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bs1jac and Lugnuts: If Cricketeurope reports Jersey advancing back in Europe qualifier, Uganda and Ghana might be advancing to regional qualifiers too. I don't see them losing by big margins and they already have monster NRR. The closest Rwanda have negative NRR. Human (talk) 18:43, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Basically Uganda and Ghana are through, just not mathematically certain. One will be through as they still have to play each other. The loser of that game will also be through unless they get absolutely destroyed in that game and then again by Eswatini/Seychelles, and Rwanda/Malawi get 3 huge wins. Bs1jac (talk) 18:50, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Jersey def. qualify, as Germany and Italy have to play each other, regardless if Jersey lose their remaining matches. One of Ghana and Uganda are through to the African regional final as of right now, but only one will be confirmed by tomorrow. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: Ghana is confirmed going through. Human (talk) 09:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@A Simple Human: - Yep and expect Uganda to join them soon! Am taking a bit of a break from it this morning... way too much going on this week! Plus need to actually do some work lol Bs1jac (talk) 10:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Haha, yes work is getting in the way for me too! Thanks as always for your edits on all things associate related. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 10:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

New host?

@Lugnuts: Hi. Have you seen this? Seems that the sub-regionals and finals have been moved to Rwanda, but the ICC agenda still appears to show South Africa and Nigeria. Bs1jac (talk) 07:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi! No, not seen this. Typical that the ICC site has any real updates on this! Thanks for finding it. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Seems legit, and would make sense to play them all in one place. I've updated this page, and will do the others in a minute. Thanks again! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Lesotho

@Bs1jac: Samir and Sarfaraj are brothers so they are probably the correct articles. About Thamae, CI has Thamae as both first and surname. Whether this info is correct or not but naming convention wise they are correct. Human (talk) 07:17, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Thamae Thamae? What next, Hiri Hiri?! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:08, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Bs1jac and Lugnuts: Looks like some records might be broken with the match against Uganda. Have to check later. Human (talk) 09:16, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Second lowest total. Bs1jac (talk) 10:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Nakrani might have the best bowling figure. Human (talk) 10:17, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah joint best with Deepak Chahar. Technically better as he bowled the full 4 overs and was therefore more economical, although I know we give preference to getting quicker wickets (which personally I feel is a hangover from first-class cricket; should be the bowler who bowled most overs in limited overs cricket in my opinion).

@Lugnuts and A Simple Human: This one has to take the prize for best scorecard of the day though. Top scorer in both innings was extras. Bs1jac (talk) 19:00, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Hehe, noticed this one earlier, and was surprised it didn't even make the top 5 (or is that bottom 5) for lowest WT20I scores! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Qualification

Just checking as the guy at Czarsports thinks only one team qualify from each group. The infographic, and the text, here from December says 1 from each sub-regional, although this release from Jan says 2 from each. Not surprising that the ICC are mixing up messages (i.e. 2 x 2 from sub regionals, or 2 from subregionals). The January source is more recent so I assume we are right with 2 going through from each, but worth checking. Bs1jac (talk) 08:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts and A Simple Human: There does appear to be various sources saying that just 1 qualifies from each subregional (ICC infographic, CricketEurope etc). Do you guys have anything concrete that it is definitely still 2x2, or 2x1? Bs1jac (talk) 09:07, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

The latest release from the ICC states "The top two teams from each sub-regional event will progress to the Africa Final" and then the winner of the regional final progresses. The ICC have even less info on this tournament that usual with it clashing with the T20 World Cup! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:20, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Why not just go with the usual until ICC releases something. Human (talk) 09:27, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes agreed, but the the ICC have conflicting info.. The latest does appear to say 2 go through, but their own graphic contradicts this. Just thought I would raise the discussion as something to be aware of. Bs1jac (talk) 09:58, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: I see that the Czarsportz guy is sticking with his belief that it will be a 4-team regional final, not listing Ghana in the teams that have qualified so far. Bs1jac (talk) 19:45, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Interesting. Still zero coverage (that I can see) on the ICC site about this set of qualifiers, but they have at least covered some of the Asian ones. Maybe they've moved HQ to North Korea. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Also just seen this from Uganda. Doesn't specify that Ghana didn't qualify, but does say "Uganda returns home for just two weeks and will be back in Kigali for the finals where Nigeria and Kenya are waiting. There will be only one team moving on to the finals from the four-nation event that will be played for 15-21 November." Bs1jac (talk) 19:53, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Of course, I realised this quote is saying 1 team goes through from the finals... but Ghana say as per below... Bs1jac (talk) 19:58, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: And Ghana also say "as the ultimate winner qualifies to join Nigeria and Kenya for the Regional finals, also for a sole slot to the global qualifiers." Bs1jac (talk) 19:56, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I guess that seals it. Shame for the other teams. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Seems that way. Here is another, and another. Bs1jac (talk) 20:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

And this is where czarsportz got their info from. Clearly states "Uganda are the third addition after finishing on top of the Group A sub Regional Qualifier last week with one more team expected from the Group B sub Regional Qualifier set for 31st October – 8th November. The tournament will be played in a double round robin format with the winner making it out of the region". Bs1jac (talk) 20:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I think this page should be updated to reflect these sources, in lieu of anything saying otherwise from the ICC. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Ah, it has been! Great work as always! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Bs1jac: - from today's ICC Global Games news - "The Group B subregional competition - which determines the final two slots in the regional final - is scheduled for the 2nd to the 7th of November, and is set to feature Botswana, Cameroon, Mozambique, Sierra Leone and Tanzania." Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 11:28, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: The Global Game pieces are written by Emerging Cricket, not by the ICC, and they are going on the same info from the ICC earlier in the year (where there appears to have been confusion i.e 2 from the subregionals or 2x2). I think the sources from Ugandan, Ghanaian and Kenyan sources are more believable at the moment, but can't believe how there is no official ICC reporting... just relying on someone else to to do it for them! Bs1jac (talk) 11:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

That just sucks for Ghana. They played so well, only to be knocked out by losing one match. Human (talk) 14:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I am still only 90% confident it is down to four teams, but it does appear to be unlucky for Ghana. I reckon ICC cost-saving is at play here. Bs1jac (talk) 16:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I thought it was penny-pinching too, but then I realised all the matches are happening in the same place! Could understand that if each phase was in a different country. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Francisco Damiao Couana

@Lugnuts: Do we know if Couana's effort was a first in T20Is? Century and five-wicket haul. Bs1jac (talk) 11:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing when I saw the score-card. A quick scan down both lists, I can't see anyone else who has done this. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 12:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

yes it was the first occasion. Emerging Cricket article on the ICC website talks about it. Ankurc.17 (talk) 06:53, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I started an article for him yesterday. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 14:51, 10 November 2021 (UTC)