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Contested deletion

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This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because:

i. Kalamassery convention centre bombing article is the one that was created after this article's creation and was a duplication of this article. Hence, that article has already been merged into this article.
ii. This article's title is WP:CONCISE therefore no Move is required either. | Pirate of the High Seas (talk) 18:31, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you trying to cut paste multiple users coontributions into this. You copied from that article and making it redirect here. And according to namiing,artticle should be having wp:presise name. DSP2092 (👤, 🗨️) 18:54, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please learn to read a bit and stop removing the CSD A10 template from that article which clearly says "do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself". Otherwise, you will be reported. | Pirate of the High Seas (talk) 19:45, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Given that text has been copied, neither page should be deleted. I've redirected the other page here though, this is the original and master copy of the article.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:37, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 October 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans (talk) 19:22, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]


2023 Kerala bombingKalamassery convention centre bombing – Per WP:PRECISE, the location should be specified; Kerala is far too large an area for the title. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 22:11, 29 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 15:30, 6 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans (talk) 18:23, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. WP:PRECISE actually says the opposite of that the nomination is implying it says. The wording is "Usually, titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but should be no more precise than that." So 2023 Kerala bombing is fine. It also matches the way actual sources are describing it, as can be seen by looking down the list of references - they all say it was in Kerala, not in Kalamassery - and that's what's important here in terms of establishing a WP:COMMONNAME and recognizability.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:58, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article has 10 refs, 3 of which include Kalamassery in their titles. We don't call the Dunblane massacre the 1996 Scotland massacre or the Port Arthur massacre the 1996 Tasmania massacre. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 01:15, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, the majority of refs do not use Kalamassery, whereas nearly all do say Kerala. So WP:COMMONNAME and WP:RECOGNIZE says we should use Kerala. We don't call the Dunblane massacre the "Scotland massacre" because that's not what sources call it. Whereas in this case, they are calling it Kerala. This is similar to the case discussed in Talk:2016 Munich knife attack#Requested move 10 May 2019 where we stuck with the Munich knife attack even though some editors said it was more precisely in Grafing. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Calling Kalamasherry/ Ernakulam Jehovah's Witness Bomb blast as Kerala Bombing is like calling Mumbai 26/11 Maharashtra Gun Fight. Lets apply consistency in the naming scheme guys. Kerala is one of the big states in India with a 400+ km long coastline, I can understand applying the name of the state if Kerala was a City State or a 2 district State like Goa or Sikkim. Roaly (talk) 15:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This incident took place at the public landmark Kalamassery In the name of this article
There is no need to use Kerala. News links have mentioned Kalamassery, this incident is known more through news and is in Indian area It closes this discussion by announcing that this article is undergoing a name change (talk) 13:23, 30 October 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spworld2 (talkcontribs) 07:56, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Spworld2: firstly, please don't move the article while this discussion is still ongoing - it will be closed in due course by an uninvolved editor, after at least seven days of running. Secondly, per my points above, media are generally denoting this as having taken place in Kerala, rather than the more specific Kalamassery, so our title should follow suit per WP:COMMONNAME.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support@Amakuru, The title needs to be revised. The use of the title '2023 Kerala bombing' is not appropriate. While the location is specified within the article's content, it is not suitable to name the article after an entire state, particularly one as densely populated in India. It would be more suitable to change it to '2023 Ernakulam bombing' at the very least. Ajayraj890 Ajayraj890 (talk) 11:46, 30 October 2023 (UTC)(talk) 11:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru: Kalamassery is a well-known public land mark in India, it is in Kochi Metro Politic City, the news headline is mostly about Kalamassery, so this is a Kalamassery Incident, knowing more about this Kerala area.The reason for saying so strongly This link can be clicked for reference [1] Spworld2 (talk) 08:32, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't need the year, convention & centre shouldn't be capitalised & bombing is more precise than blast. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 12:29, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jim 2 Michael, what about changing it into Kalamasseri blast 2023? The year is indeed an important factor. Ajayraj890 (talk) 15:29, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it better to specify the type of venue rather than the year. If the year is included, it should be at the beginning of the title. Bombing is more accurate than blast. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 15:51, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
However, there is a need to consider a title change. The cited references for this event are derived from news media, which often aim to convey information quickly and efficiently to their audience. In doing so, they might use "Kerala" instead of "Kalamassery" for simplicity, as Kerala is a widely recognized state. However, it's important to note that using "Kerala" alone as the title is overly broad. It would be akin to using "Battle of Iraq" instead of "Battle of Gaugamela" simply because it is more widely recognized. Ajayraj890 (talk) 16:08, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there's the same problem with 2023 Odisha train collision, which should be 2023 Balasore train collision. Most of the world hasn't heard of Balasore or Kalamassery, so the media more often use the names of the states they're in. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 17:56, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: Amakuru is opposing. Why are people supporting per Amakuru? Reading Beans (talk) 18:23, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Roaly (talk) 18:13, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]


The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

References

Duplicate article issue

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Draft:2023 Kerala blasts was created first and 2023 Kerala bombing which was created later, both refer to same incident. Should we do a CSD or merger? Thewikizoomer (talk) 10:59, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That draft is a tiny stub which should be deleted. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 12:29, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The word 'bombing' is not appropriate

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'Bombing' is a term used in for large scale military or terrorist operations. (see Bombing of Tokyo, 1993 World Trade Center bombing, NATO bombing of Yugoslavia etc.). VIBHAATH GUDTROT (talk) 12:31, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 November 2023

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2023 Kerala bombingKalamassery Convention Centre Blast – Per WP:PRECISE, This incident which took place in a municipality town in a district(Ernakulam district) of Kerala is very lax to give the name "Kerala Bombing". If this kind of incident happens in many places in Kerala on the same day or at the same hour, it is appropriate to give such a name (Kerala Bombing). Kalamassery) being an event, it is apt to call it "Kalamassery Convention Center Blast". (talk) 5:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)