Talk:2024 Atlantic hurricane season

Potential Tropical Cyclone Eight (2024)

Hi:

Does anyone know if an article has been created about the flood in the Carolinas that this system produced?

Pierre cb (talk) 21:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't know if anyone has made a draft yet, but I'd support making a draft. There was a death related to flooding. The Wilmington National Weather Service has info on the storm, even an entire page. The storm caused significant flooding, maybe enough to warrant an article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Why do we have the disambiguater? I'm pretty sure there have only been three PTC articles. ✶Quxyz✶ 01:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Helene in 2018 was "Potential Tropical Cyclone Eight". So I'm not sure if the year is needed, since this one was more notable. On the other hand, if there are any PTC8's in the future, this would need to be moved anyway. Maybe something like September 2024 North Carolina storm if PTC8 (2024) is too long? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:33, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@Pierre cb, Have you made an article (or draft if frwiki has them) in French yet? ✶Quxyz✶ 12:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

No, I just integrated the few info I had into the 2024 Hurricane season article, which is enough for the time being. However, I have uploaded some images into Commons if someone has more info and want to do a draft in English. Pierre cb (talk) 13:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I have very limited information on it myself and I believe it has been integrated into enwiki's seasonal article. On a tangential note, PTC 22 from last year did quite a bit of damage, should we look into making it an article? ✶Quxyz✶ 13:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

We can discuss it here: Talk: 2023 Atlantic hurricane season#PTC 22 article??? SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 13:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Article for Hurricane Kirk?

That Irish surfer guy told me to talk here. I think, as Hurricane Kirk is getting stronger, it may need its own article. It might become a Category 2 or 3 soon, even though it won’t touch land. The lack of affected areas may not affect the article, but please talk to me soon. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 23:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

As there will most probably be neither direct land interaction nor fatalities with this tropical system, and given that its meteorological history will not likely grow too large to fit comfortably into the season article, Kirk does not meet the notability criteria for a stand-alone storm article. Drdpw (talk) 00:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

There might be a sudden deviation where it goes west instead of north. It might devastate the Big Bend as well, so I think not. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 00:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

It’s now a Cat 3 xD HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 01:32, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Kirk is going nowhere near the Big Bend region, or anywhere on the North American continent. It is, and will continue to move generally northward across the open central Atlantic, a classic Cabo Verde "fish storm." Drdpw (talk) 01:55, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

What if though… you can never guarantee something in the future… HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 02:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Meteorology does not predict the impossible. At this stage, Hurricane Kirk will never become an article. Jalen Barks (Woof) 02:27, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, Hurricane Sam got an article, even though it was basically a fish storm, and it also would likely be a cat 4 or 5 SillyNerdo (talk) 13:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

great, i forgot the period. SillyNerdo (talk) 13:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

"Other stuff exists" is not a valid argument in this case. As it stands, Kirk-2024 is not notable for a stand-alone storm article. Drdpw (talk) 14:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I haven't seen other topics besides weather and other stuff so i've never heard of that, but thank you for telling me about it. SillyNerdo (talk) 21:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane Sam broke records, an extensive meteorological history section, and had tangible impacts. None of these I believe Kirk has or would have. ✶Quxyz✶ 22:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

I am absolutely certain that Kirk is not going to, nor will ever, be notable. Out of boldness, I will change the draft the user created into a redirect since it has already been rejected. _ZZ^Z'S 23:02, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I believe it would be better for Wikipedia if the draft was deleted, which I did not notice until now. There is little to no chance that Kirk will ever become an article. _ZZ^Z'S 23:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

yeah, i guess there has been like 3 cat 4 hurricanes without a article, which is fair. SillyNerdo (talk) 23:18, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Could've forgotten to say, if it becomes a cat 5 hurricane, it'll have to be a page, since I don't think any cat 5 hurricanes without a page. 12:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

i forgot to log in, I said that comment... SillyNerdo (talk) 12:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Intensity alone, unless it breaks records, does not make an article notable enough for its own article. The only reason that all Cat 5s in the Atlantic have their own article is because of other significant events like their impacts or breaking meteorological records. _ZZ^Z'S 13:13, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I was considering nominating for deletion but I held back because I'm lazy and I didn't want to get yelled at for biting newcomers. ✶Quxyz✶ 23:38, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane Kirk may bring notable impacts to Europe as an ETC later down the line, at which point an article for Kirk could be justified. Of course, we'll have to wait for these impacts to happen, but it's something to watch out for. ArkHyena (it/its) 19:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Slightly tangential: I did see that the NHC issued hurricane warnings for the Atlantic Ocean, is that of note to mention? ✶Quxyz✶ 00:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

{{Ping|Quxyz}} There is no need to mention that the NHC issued hurricane warnings for the Atlantic Ocean since there is nothing noteworthy about it and we are a hurricane over the Atlantic Ocean. Jason Rees (talk) 08:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

How the heck did I cause this whole argument over a hurricane? HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 19:35, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Less an argument, more of a recurring topic that comes up every year. Every named storm deserves to get some sort of notice on Wikipedia, I think we're all in agreement of that, and the season articles are the perfect places to start them. Active storms are exciting, I think we can also agree about that. Let's see if Kirk ends up causing significant enough impacts from its surf - otherwise, let's keep working on the season article and other topics. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:40, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I saw somewhere that Kirk might turn to London and Paris, but please hold up on deleting my article so that we can see the results of Hurricane Kirk. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 19:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, there could be an article of Hurricane Kirk, possibly if there's more then 5 deaths in Europe probably. SillyNerdo (talk) 20:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/143626.shtml?tswind120#wcontents HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

the wind might be a t.s. (Tropical Storm) HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I also saw that there is a tropical disturbance that has a 40% chance or less of forming. Will this form into Hurricane Milton or Tropical Storm Milton? HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 19:45, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@SillyNerdo and @HurricaneKirk2024 This page is for discussing improvements to the article itself, not for speculation on the hurricane season or talking about the general subject (wee WP:FORUM). Unless you have a specific comment regarding improving the article please refrain from commenting further. JayTee⛈️ 20:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I got caught off-guard, I am so sorry. HurricaneKirk2024 (talk) 20:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Kirk article

With Kirk likely to affect Europe significantly, could an article for the storm be necessary? I imagine that warnings will be issued soon, and the storm has a decent meteorological history, I think a draft for the storm could be started in the next few days as it approaches Europe. 96.236.149.251 (talk) 01:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Nah, no need unless there are significant impacts. More likely, it'll just be a European windstorm. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Should CyclonicWx be used as the current ACE counter?

They take a more accurate ACE count then CSU since they take into account changes in Best Track

https://cyclonicwx.com/climatology/ Hoguert (talk) 08:16, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Can it be proven that it’s a high quality reliable source? Noah, BSBA^Talk 13:25, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

They have the same ACE so there is no reason to use a source of unfounded reliability to one which it is known. ✶Quxyz✶ 22:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Infobox most intense

Since both Kirk and Beryl reached a minimum MSLP of 934mb, should they both be mentioned in the infobox? Beryl was obviously stronger in terms of impact and wind, but see also the 2022 Atlantic hurricane season where Fiona, a category 2, had a lower MSLP than category 5 Ian and got its own section in the infobox. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

If one storm has a lower pressure than the storm with the strongest winds then their information is separate in the infobox. If two storms have the same lowest pressure than the stronger one is the storm with the higher winds. JayTee⛈️ 18:22, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn’t Beryl and Kirk be tied in pressure in the strongest storm column?

I believe I seen some seasons where a system has lower winds than a system but have a high pressure, so usually they add both systems in their respective columns. Shouldn’t Kirk have its own column to be tied with Beryl or does it had the have a lower pressure? I guess a good argument is that even though Beryl had the same pressure, it had stronger winds so it wouldn’t be included. TheHumanFixer (talk) 18:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@TheHumanFixer You answered your own question there- since Beryl has the stronger winds of the two it has the spot in the infobox. JayTee⛈️ 18:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Milton article scope

AL92 is making its way towards Florida, however, it will be the second system in a train to impact the state with the previous I believe being the previous disturbance by the Yucatan. Should this first system receive mention in Milton's article? ✶Quxyz✶ 10:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

If it had any effects on Milton's impacts and is sourced, sure. Tavantius (talk) 12:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

The system currently brewing in the Gulf of Mexico has complex roots, The tendrils of that origin likely will not be clear until the tropical cyclone report is published post-season. When an article on the system (Milton) is started, the met history should, for now, probably begin with the formation of the broad low yesterday. The earlier details can wait for greater clarity. Drdpw (talk) 12:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Now that AL92 has become Tropical Depression Fourteen, its met history is percolating on the season page. As Tropical Storm (probably Hurricane) Milton, it will likely push toward and hit Florida, in which case, an article will most likely be in order. Drdpw (talk) 15:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Is Milton related to Eleven-E and is it worth it to mention? ✶Quxyz✶ 16:04, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Already mentioned. ✶Quxyz✶ 16:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@Quxyz: Have you got any sources that are linking TD 11E to future Milton, if not then it should not be mentioned until further analysis is complied by the NHC.Jason Rees (talk) 16:18, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Milton article

Should Milton get an article early due to its imminent impacts to Florida? Tavantius (talk) 17:53, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

There is already a draft for it, which is right here. _ZZ^Z'S 17:54, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

I imagine that the draft will published once the storm strengthens, and, as Hurricane Milton, approaches the Florida coast. Drdpw (talk) 18:22, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Should that be now as Milton has just became a hurricane? Tavantius (talk) 17:55, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we should have an article based on anticipated impacts. It's WP:TOOSOON. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:19, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Before Milton or Helene even developed Florida declared a state of emergency for both. See Hurricane Milton#Florida for a few sources establishing notability. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 20:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Mr. Ron DeSantis must have a good psychic⸮ ✶Quxyz✶ 02:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)