Talk:6th Division (Australia)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Anotherclown (talk · contribs) 10:07, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Progression

• Version of the article when originally reviewed: [1]
• Version of the article when review was closed: [2]

Technical review

• Citations: The Citation Check tool reveals no errors with reference consolidation (no action req'd).
• Disambiguations: no dab links [3] (no action req'd)
• Linkrot: external links check reveals one dead link [4]:
  • Australian 6th Division Vehicle Marking (info) [jeepdraw.com]
    • Added the archiveurl instead. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
• Alt text: Images lack alt text so you might consider adding it [5] (not a GA req'ment - suggestion only).
  • Added. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
• Copyright violations: The Earwig Tool reveals no issues with copyright violations or close paraphrasing [6] (no action req'd).
• Duplicate links: a couple of duplicate links to be removed:
  • 25th Brigade
  • 2/7th Infantry Battalion
  • 2/5th
  • 2/6th Cavalry Commando Regiment
    • Removed duplicates. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Criteria

• It is reasonably well written.

  a (prose): b (MoS):

  • "The 6th Division was the first division formed within the 2nd AIF being raised on 28 September 1939." Think a comma may be required here, consider: "The 6th Division was the first division formed within the 2nd AIF, being raised on 28 September 1939."
    • Done. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Suggest wikilinking a few terms:
    • British Expeditionary Force
    • Suez Canal
    • Alexandria (should be wikilinked at first use, you do so later in the article though)
    • Italian Tenth Army
    • Fremantle
    • Sydney
    • Melbourne
    • Adelaide
    • Bren carrier
    • Nassau Bay
    • Mubo
    • Atherton Tablelands
    • Torricelli Mountains
      • Done. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Typo here: "On 22 January 1941, the Italian Tobruk...", consider: "On 22 January 1941, the Italian of Tobruk..."
    • I went with "the Italian held port of Tobruk"... AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
      • Damn... yes that is what I meant. Typo in my comment about a typo... Anotherclown (talk) 22:29, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • "Both Menzies and the I Corps commander, Lieutenant General Thomas Blamey...", should just be "Blamey" removing rank as you have already formally introduced him.
    • Done. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Repetitive language here: "...felt that the operation was risky and might end in disaster. But Menzies felt..." (overuse of "felt"). Perhaps reword one?
    • Went with "stated". AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • "After withdrawal from Greece..." possibly missing word here, consider: "After the withdrawal from Greece..."
    • Done. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Typo here: "The 19th Brigade had been landed intake with all of its infantry battalions...", should be "intact" I think.
    • Yes, it should. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Redundant: " As a result, these units were combined together...", consider just "combined".
    • Reworded. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • "On 20 May, the Germans launched an airborne assault on the island and over the course of a week and a half heavy fighting..." should week and a half be hyphenated? (honestly not sure so pls check and adjust if you agree).
    • Yes, I think so. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Repetitive language: " As in Greece, a large number of men were unable to be evacuated and as a result a large number..." (large number twice)
    • Reworded. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Typo: "While the 16th and 17th Brigades were in Ceylon, the 19th Brigade, which had proceeded from Fremantle to Adelaide in mid-March." Consider instead: "While the 16th and 17th Brigades were in Ceylon, the 19th Brigade, had proceeded from Fremantle to Adelaide in mid-March."
    • Reworded. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • "The Japanese had established themselves in strong positions in the high ground north of Eora Creek...", perhaps: "...on the high ground..." instead?
    • Done. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • hyphenation req'd here too? "For the next week and a half, the brigade fought desperately.."
    • Done. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • This is a little confusing: "The 2/1st Field Regiment's battery at Popondetta was expanded to a full troop of four guns..." A bty is usually made up of several gun troops but the prose seems to imply that the bty was expanded to become a full troop. Pretty sure I understand what is meant but the terminology in the source seems to be a little off. Consider instead something like this: "The 2/1st Field Regiment's detachment at Popondetta was expanded to a full troop of four guns..." Would that work?
    • Yes, I think that should be fine. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Missing word here I think: "Upon arrival, the company – 'B' Company – began moving towards Mubo, where they were to link up with the commandos there establish themselves to defend the Bulolo Valley." Consider instead: "Upon arrival, the company – 'B' Company – began moving towards Mubo, where they were to link up with the commandos there and establish themselves to defend the Bulolo Valley."
    • Done. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Do you think the fighting at Lababia Ridge on 20 July 1943 is notable? Sounds like it might be given the description. Maybe redlink? (suggestion only).
    • Added a link, but I'm not certain of where I added it. Can you please take a look and if you think it would be better somewhere else, let me know? AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
      • That looks fine to me. Anotherclown (talk) 22:47, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Typo here: "Throughout 1943–44, the division was re-organised under the a jungle divisional establishment." ("the a")
    • Done. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Typo here: "..with the 2/10th moving into a Torricellis, a series of small-scale actions followed..." ("into a Torricellis")
    • Done. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
• It is factually accurate and verifiable.

  a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

  • All major points appear to be cited using WP:RS.
  • No issues with OR that I could see.

• It is broad in its coverage.

  a (major aspects): b (focused):

  • All major points seem to be covered without going into undue detail.
  • Article uses summary style effectively and level of coverage seems appropriate in most places.
  • Couple of points:
    • In the lead: "Throughout 1940–41 it served in the North African campaign, the Greek campaign, on Crete and in Syria." Perhaps add here who they were fighting for context?
      • Added a small clause. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
    • "During January and February 1941, the 6th Division, together with British units, pushed the Italian army back across Libya." This is a very short summary of this part of the campaign. Wonder if the component actions should be listed (just half a sentence)? For instance capturing Derna, Barce and Benghazi (see Johnston pp. 55-60).
      • I've added a quick clause, but I'm not sure if that is sufficient. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
    • Could 6th Div casualties from North Africa be added in that section? (Johnston p. 245 lists 6 Div casualties in Libya as 241 killed, 790 wounded and 21 captured.)
      • Added. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
    • Same for Greece (320 killed, 494 wounded and 2030 captured - see Johnston p. 245), Crete (274 killed, 507 wounded and 3102 captured - Johnston same page) and Syria (39 killed and 129 wounded - also Johnston).
      • Done, there seemed to be a discrepancy in the figures for Greece, so I went with your reference. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
    • Likewise for the Pacific campaigns less Aitape-Wewak which you have included (Papua i.e. Kokoda to the sea: 207 killed and 397 wounded, Wau-Salamaua: 240 killed and 520 wounded - see Johnston p. 245).
      • Added. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
    • "While the majority of the division was in Crete, the 6th Division Cavalry Regiment, which had not be sent to Greece, was detached to the British 7th Armoured Brigade and subsequently took part in Operation Brevity in May." Where?
      • Added. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

• It follows the neutral point of view policy.

  a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

  • No issues I could see.

• It is stable.

  No edit wars etc.:

  • No issues here.

• It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

  a (tagged and captioned): b (Is illustrated with appropriate images): c (non-free images have fair use rationales): d public domain pictures appropriately demonstrate why they are public domain:

  • Images all seem to be PD and mostly have the req'd information. A couple of minor points:
    • File:Awm 005392 2nd11th.jpg probably needs a PD-US tag of some description.
    • Likewise for File:Typical country in the Wau-Mubo area.jpg, File:Wau 25 pounders.jpeg and File:Infantry Danmap River (078054).jpg
      • Fixed both. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Captions look fine.

• Overall:

  a Pass/Fail:

  • Overall this article is in good shape, just a few issues / points above to deal with. Happy to discuss anything you disagree with. Anotherclown (talk) 03:51, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
    • Thanks for taking on this review. I think I've got most of what you've spotted, with the possible exception of the Derna/Barce/Benghazi issue. Please let me know what you think. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:10, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
      • Happy with these changes. I made a couple of edits myself and added one or two things boldly (and per Nick's cmts below), pls review them to check you are happy with them. Anotherclown (talk) 23:01, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
        • Thanks for those changes, they look great. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 05:47, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

As a comment/question, am I right in thinking that the divisional HQ was used to beef up the Northern Territory Force in 1942, while a provisional HQ commanded the brigades in Ceylon? (I'm not sure what Mark Johnson says in his fine history of the division). The status of the 6th and 7th Divisions in the 1942-early 1943 period is a bit confusing given that their brigades seem to have been deployed separately. Nick-D (talk) 10:44, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Nick - excellent point, always good to have a second set of eyes in a review! I had a look at Johnston and included something now. AR pls review and adjust if req'd. Anotherclown (talk) 22:58, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks gents, I'm struggling at the moment to find all my books after the move, but what has been added looks good to me. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 05:47, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

In response to the post on my talk page, my above comment has been addressed, and I don't have any others on this article. Nick-D (talk) 02:56, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again Nick - much appreciated. Passing review now. Anotherclown (talk) 03:00, 23 December 2013 (UTC)