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Mohammed deif speech

Should the Mohammed deif speech, or excerpts from it, be included in the background? His October 7 speech does summarise all the ‘justifications’ comprehensively, and I believe it is worth mentioning or including, and in fact it was there for a while The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 06:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

This is covered in Israel–Hamas_war#Hamas_motivations, so I would either link to that section of use the excerpt feature. Obviously we should strike a balance between Hamas justifications and the reasons for the attack according to experts. Alaexis¿question? 07:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
@Alaexis I don't think excerpt from there is the right approach, more detail is warranted here. We could expand on it here and then {{excerpt}} in the other direction maybe? MWQs (talk) 23:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
For what they did, third party sources more credible, But for WHY they did it they say is the best we've got. Some mcommentary is warranted (the sources on the main page include a translation with footnotes explaining some of the things he refers to), but not wp:false balance. I think a rather high level of scepticism is warranted for experts saying "their real motive was…" as an outsider, reading minds is impossible, so that needs a lot more supporting evidence than "an expert says", they need to give a good reason for why stated notive is inaccurate. MWQs (talk) 02:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
The enxtra sources that are warranted would be to get multiple sources within Hamas / Al-Qassam: Deif's speech is the definitive, but also spikesmask Abu Obeada, Sinwar, Haniyeh. And possibly Osama Hamdan and Basem Naim, fairly minor figures, but they are the most articulate in English and thus we avoid things nnbeing lost in translation. Not warranted to quote all in the quoting all in the article. But maybe using the "quote =" field in references and add as extra refs if they say the same thing. MWQs (talk) 02:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
@The Great Mule of Eupatoria I thought I already added it? Or was that Israel–Hamas_war #Hamas_motivations? As well as the motivations we should also include "begin marching now towards Palestine" (times of Israel quote him when they re-released that bit, if we need secondary sources) because a lot of sources paraphrased him in ways that implied they called for global attacks, when they didn't call for anything violent except against Israel iself. MWQs (talk) 23:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
I believe it was included at one point, notable things to include are what he cites as the reasons for it (such as the blockade, West Bank occupation, complete neglect of international law and international silence), it does seem to be very comprehensive. The part you’re mentioning might have been mistranslated, he was calling the world to rise up against Israel (he also called on “those in the West Bank, the Triangle, the Negev, the Galilee”) overall for the background what he cites as context for the attack is very much comprehensive and because he is not a nobody (he is the leader of Hamas’ armed wing), it definitely seems worth including The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 05:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Title

I believe a more fitting title for this article would be "The October 7th Attack" being that it's much more rememberable and easy to say. JamesCook1728 (talk) 01:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree. I am able to move the page. I will not until there is consensus. NesserWiki (talk) 03:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
I think we should use the name that Hamas gave it since it is the only “operation name”, which is the “operation Al aqsa flood” The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 06:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
More neutral sources seem to avoid adopting that name. I'm not sure exactly why, but I assume it has to do with not wanting to legitimize the attack, or create an appearance of alignment with Hamas. — xDanielx T/C\R 22:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
The only reasons I can see using the Hamas given name is the lack of other “official” names for the attack (maybe invasion? Not sure of it counts) and because of such a large-scale, never seen before type of attack which too everyone by surprise being the first “invasion” into Israel since the 1948 The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 06:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
I think they'd see it as a reclamation, not an invasion? MWQs (talk) 02:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
@The Great Mule of Eupatoria no, because that's name for the whole war. Al-Aqsa Flood belongs in the "part of" section of the infobox maybe? The hashtag #طوفان_الأقصى is on social media for updates from today. The Electronic Intifada podcast was "Al Aqsa Flood day 250" on some platforms but not others (YouTube but not Spotify). A couple of others had similar titles or headlines from the past week. If you've got something saying "Operation Al Aqsa Flood" was more specific and just the start of "Al Aqsa Flood" then maybe? But I think it's just an abbreviation? Being an abbreviation is probably why "Al Aqsa Flood" by itself is in more informal contexts like hashtags and podcasts. I should look for the long version, I've not seen it for a while, but I don't think it was supposed to be just the start. MWQs (talk) 11:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
It appears to be two names, the initial october 7 attack was called operation Al aqsa flood, while the overall war itself is called the battle of Al-aqsa flood. The reference to a war as a 'battle' is consistent with the other wars waged on Gaza, being the battle of Al-furqan, the battle of the withered grain (rough translation), and the battle of Jerusalem's sword for the 2008, the 2014, and 2021 wars respectively The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 11:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
I'd say it would be best we avoid using the Palestinian name or Israeli name at all costs in order to promote a more neutral presentation of the conflict, hence I said "October 7 Attack" which is a much more international name. JamesCook1728 (talk) 14:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
I’m not opposed to using “October 7 attack”, so I’m not against your suggestion. I was only suggesting the Palestinian given name as it appeared to the be the only “official” name for the attack The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 03:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
@JamesCook1728 no, "7 October" is a neutral international term, but "October 7" is an Israeli / USA name for it, or even a propaganda slogan. "7 October 2023" is the way to write dates everywhere except the USA, when the news in Australia or the UK calls it "7 October", it's just a date. But when a British Israeli like Eylon Levy or an Aussie Israeli like Mark Regev says "October 7" that's something else, that's "this is our September 11 and we're determined to copy every mistake the USA made after that" (or something like that) I am maybe being a bit dramatic, but it is distinctly more loaded to use the "September 11" form and not the "7 October" normal international date form. MWQs (talk) 18:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that, 7 October Attack would be better. JamesCook1728 (talk) 18:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
@The Great Mule of Eupatoria is that mostly in Arabic? What's the word they use for battle? I've not seen it at all in English. And I probably would have missed it in Arabic because it's not a word I know. MWQs (talk) 16:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
The word for battle is معركة، they call the whole war معركة طوفان الأقصى The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 03:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Is Israel doing something similar? I've heard "operation swords of iron" and "war of iron swords", but i thought they were almost synonymous, or at least symaltanious (i.e. the operation is the thing they are doing in the war). MWQs (talk) 16:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
@JamesCook1728 currently being discussed below. MWQs (talk) 02:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Article title

So, very willing to have Wiki rules thrown at me on this;

Why are we still describing this as an “attack”? By the vast and overwhelming sources already cited in this article, it’s very clear that, where “attack” might imply some sort of targeted assault by one armed group against other, this is not what happened.

Given that this historical parallel doesn’t work, the closest I can think of is the roaming Einsatzgruppen, whose methods of murder were utterly terrible but also less terrible than the Palestinians responsible in this article.

“Attack” suggests that this was some sort of properly co-ordinated military operation. We know from every article sub-linked here that this was not the acse. it was from the start intended to be a massacre of civilians. There was no point anywhere in the planning of it in which anyone said that “this should not be a massacre of civilians.” And why would they? The whole point was to murder, rape and kidnap as many civilians as possible. KronosAlight (talk) 21:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Would you suggest something with "massacre" in the title? I think there's probably a reasonable case that "massacre" is accurate (despite that some military bases were also targeted), but it seems very clear that the broader term "attack" is accurate, so why not stick with it?
In terms of policy, WP:POVNAMING and WP:NPOVNAME encourage "neutral" names, though with exceptions when there's a very clear WP:COMMONNAME (which I don't think there is here).
See also Talk:Tel al-Sultan massacre#Requested move 27 May 2024, a somewhat related (different scale of course) discussion where I also argue for "attack" over "massacre". — xDanielx T/C\R 02:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Massacre is too broad for October 7. This is like naming the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip a massacre. Yes, there were massacres, but there were also genuine military confrontations, such as in Beit Hanoun, khan yunis, shujaiyya. Likewise on October 7 there were several confrontations such as Hamas wiping out the border guard, as well as battles in sderot and ofakim, seizing military bases. The whole operation itself can be called an attack as a massacre is too broad, and the massacres themselves, such as Re’im, obviously retain their names The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 06:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Massacre is too narrow more than too broad. Mainly because of the hostage taking. They certainly weren't "take no prisoners"? I wouldn't argue with the individual locations described as massacres, but I agree it's not a good way to characterise the plan as a whole. MWQs (talk) 19:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
There were several military targets that were neutralised on October 7, which is how Hamas were even able to reach the civilians in the first place. All of the border crossing outposts were captured and soldiers in there killed or captured, all the kibbutzim who were overrun had their military bases captured (such as Re’im and be’eri), 370 out of 1,100 killed were soldiers on the field, there is a very significant military aspect on October 7 that cannot be overlooked but when we look into the individual cases we can make the distinction, which is why Nahal oz who was captured and had its military bases defeated, with most of the people being killed being soldiers is named an “attack”, while Re’im, where 360 festival goers were shot dead is labeled a “massacre” The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 06:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
The article really needs to improve how well it covers the military bases. It only even really mentions Nahal Oz? e.g. They're all missing from the table except that one, but there was definitely more than one. If you're familiar with others maybe add them to the table, it's a start. There was something at Zikkim I think? And a second lookout base. At least half a dozen. MWQs (talk) 19:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Looking at it it seems to be the bases at the border, even areas where civilian massacres took place there had been military bases such as in Re’im and kissufim and if I recall correctly, be’eri The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 05:35, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
@KronosAlight no, "attack(s)" doesn't "suggest that this was some sort of properly co-ordinated military operation" because "attack" also covers a chaotic "terrorist attack" and "attacks" covers hundreds of lone wolves individualy attacking people. The only plausible alternatives would be uprising / revolt but I don't think they'll get support? "7 October" is the most common name, but we need to add something because that's in use for "on this day", adding "attacks" is the broadest and least biased option. MWQs (talk) 23:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Weasel words under ‘Allegations of Genocide’

“Genocide experts” who? Please clarify NeutralASP (talk) 10:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

There are citations with details. This is not the best way to format edit requests. See WP:EDITXY. Sean.hoyland (talk) 11:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
New to editing, sorry about formmatting. I’m struggling to see how in this instance it’s ok to use weasel words. Also the link you sent is not working. NeutralASP (talk) 11:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Never mind I get it now. If you could resend the link though that would be much appreciated. NeutralASP (talk) 11:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
The WP:EDITXY redirect was vandalized. It's fixed and protected now. Sean.hoyland (talk) 14:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — kashmīrī TALK 16:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

The recent request move

I thought that the request move was to change the article from 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel → 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel, not to 7 October attacks. It appears that the article has been unilaterally moved to a different title all together. I would have been less inclined to support the move had I known. User:Extorc, why did you move it to a different title all together? There has been other notable attacks on the date 7 October in the region such as the 2000 Hezbollah cross-border raid and the 2004 Sinai bombings, both of which occurred on the 7 October. That's why I supported a move to the title 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel as it was specific about which attack on the 7 October. IJA (talk) 18:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

It is a somewhat unexpected decision. In general closes should only decide on the original proposal, since it's difficult to determine consensus regarding mid-discussion suggestions that not everyone noticed and commented on. In this case I don't think it was entirely unreasonable though, since it was a small discussion and at least three editors commented on the 7 October attacks option, with two preferring that option and one not being opposed to it. Not sure I fully agree with the call, but at least it seems like a good-faith close by a (non-admin) uninvolved editor. — xDanielx T/C\R 19:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
I certainly don't think it was a bad faith closure and subsequent move, however, I do think it lacks consensus. Additionally, with 2000 Hezbollah cross-border raid and the 2004 Sinai bombings, both of which also occurred on the 7 October; I do think this causes some confusion. I still believe that this article should be moved to "7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel" and that is what was being proposed in the RM. IJA (talk) 09:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
I agree, this should be taken to move review, as in addition to lacking widespread consensus, this was closed by a non-admin, in contravention of WP:BADNAC. Most worryingly, the closer is involved in the topic area [1]. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Based on the linked edit, I don't think this user can really be considered "involved in the topic area", to be honest. HaOfa (talk) 13:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
The close very clearly violates 3 out of 4 points outlined in WP:BADNAC: 1- involved editor 2- controversial move 3- little WP experience at 6,000 edits. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
I think this is quite a controversial move, therefore I think we have grounds to take it to Wikipedia:Move review. IJA (talk) 15:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 June 2024

Have a look at the first sentence in the "Events leading to the attack" section:

Over the course of 2023, before the attack, increased settler attacks had displaced hundreds of Palestinians, and there were clashes around the Al-Aqsa Mosque, a contested holy site in Jerusalem.[1]

1. Displaced whom exactly? Is there a citation for this?

2. "Settler attacks"? Are we going to completely ignore the numerous attacks by Palestinians throughout 2023? Just to name a few:

  • May 12th - Hundreds of rockets launched towards Israel.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-palestinians-strikes-jihad-0d9d56b5c4fc2e8999105b05c8d30a2f

  • January 27th - Palestinian gunman killed 7, including 70 year old woman.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-israel-government-palestinian-territories-benjamin-netanyahu-fb2251b5b6c8ef73a21f87620d20090c#:~:text=JERUSALEM%20(AP)%20%E2%80%94%20A%20Palestinian,killed%20by%20police%2C%20officials%20said.

  • February 10th - Palestinian driver killed 2 Israelis (including a 6-year-old boy) and injured 5 others.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-02-10/ty-article/.premium/several-injured-in-suspected-ramming-attack-in-jerusalem/00000186-3b1c-dfa7-afee-ff7fc3e00000

  • April 7th - shooting attack in Tel Aviv, Italian tourist killed, several others wounded.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-april-7-2023/

  • June 20th - Palestinians opened fire on a group of Israelis, killing 4 and injuring 4 others.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-06-20/ty-article/at-least-1-israeli-wounded-in-suspected-west-bank-shooting/00000188-d8fb-d5fc-ab9d-dbfb7e9e0000

  • August 1st - Palestinian shot and wounded 6 Israelis.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-08-01/ty-article/man-shot-after-suspected-shooting-attack-in-west-bank-settlement-near-jerusalem/00000189-b124-ddac-a3cd-b575ba010000

  • August 5th - Palestinian killed an Israeli.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/middleeast/palestinian-shooting-israel-tel-aviv.html

  • August 19th - Palestinian killed 2 Israelis.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/19/two-israelis-killed-by-suspected-palestinian-gunman 3. Maybe explain why there were clashes near Temple Mount?

Here is my proposal:

In the months leading up to the attack, Palestinian violence against Israelis escalated significantly, including hundreds of rockets fired from Gaza towards Israeli cities, as well as numerous shooting and car-ramming attacks that resulted in multiple Israeli fatalities.

Citations:

2A0D:6FC2:4000:400:97EC:26:BBEC:F991 (talk) 12:06, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Have you read WP:SYNTH? A reliable source that directly supports the proposed wording is required. Do any of your sources do that? In other words, we can't conclude, based on individual samples, that a pattern or trend exists and write things like "In the months leading up to the attack..." etc. A reliable source has to do that. Then we can cite it. We are not reliable sources. Sean.hoyland (talk) 12:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
1. I agree with you. Can we conclude, based on 0 samples or citations, that "Over the course of 2023, before the attack, increased settler attacks had displaced hundreds of Palestinians"?
2. If we're going to include the Temple Mount clashes, and we want a complete background, then we should also include the "numerous shooting and car-ramming attacks that resulted in multiple Israeli fatalities" that my sources support, as well as the May 2023 war launched by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. 2A0D:6FC2:4000:400:97EC:26:BBEC:F991 (talk) 12:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
The current text is supported by the AP article. You'll need to find a source that discussed the attacks by Palestinians in 2023 prior to the start of the war. Alaexis¿question? 17:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Israel declares war, goes after Hamas fighters and bombards Gaza". Associated Press. 7 October 2023. Archived from the original on 8 October 2023. Retrieved 7 October 2023.

Result

We cannot have the result say 'inconclusive or Hamas victory'; that is in direct violation of the rules regarding a military info-box. I’m not even trying to be political, but it does not make sense to say, 'well, you see, Hamas either won or didn’t win, we don’t know.' I keep saying this: an info-box can only say X Victory, Y Victory, or inconclusive. LuxembourgLover (talk) 17:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I think such instructions in infobox docs can be ignored when there's a good reason, but in this case I'd support just removing the field, since the result is a matter of perspective and we can't fit any meaningful assessment in a few words. — xDanielx T/C\R 18:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
I think we need a new infobox - "Infobox mass atrocity". I don't really like the binary choice between "civilian attack" and "military conflict", as they don't capture the spectrum of incidents (for instance, the term "civilian" can be ambiguous – in a huge number of contexts we'd prefer combatant vs non-combatant). — kashmīrī TALK 19:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Update, the new resulte is no better. LuxembourgLover (talk) 14:37, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

the war crimes and atrocities section should be updated following 2 reports from HRW

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/17/october-7-crimes-against-humanity-war-crimes-hamas-led-groups https://www.hrw.org/report/2024/07/17/i-cant-erase-all-blood-my-mind/palestinian-armed-groups-october-7-assault-israel Monochromemelo1 (talk) 23:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — kashmīrī TALK 17:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Final Israeli Missing Person Confirmed Dead by IDF

The page states "1 missing", but I believe this to no longer be the case, as Bilha Yinon was found to have been killed on Oct 7.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-confirms-woman-listed-as-missing-since-oct-7-was-killed-during-attack/

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/ry1ticj9r

Tamirco (talk) 20:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

The table of foreign civilian deaths needs to be updated

That or the 71 foreign civilians killed figure is inaccurate. NesserWiki (talk) 05:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hamas' own words

Is there room on this article for the actual Hamas statement on the attack - https://twitter.com/pmofa/status/1710630801379922370 - or do we continue with the established tradition of ignoring Palestinian voices? Specifically the sentence: "Hamas said its attack was in response to the continued Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories, the blockade of the Gaza Strip, the expansion of illegal Israeli settlements, rising Israeli settler violence, and recent escalations." This should, at the very least, have a link to their own Press Release. Mcdruid (talk) 08:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

This appears to have been moved to the background of the Israel hamas war page The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 08:33, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

The Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades

The Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades are listed as one of the units involved in Operation al-Aqsa Flood with a Bianet article cited as the source. I do not speak Turkish so CMIIAW but the article states something to the effect of "the Ebu Ali Mustafa Brigades ... also supported the 'Aksa Flood' operation". Support ("destek") does not mean involvement. Iran, Syria, and the Party of God are also described as giving full support ("tam destek") and they most definitely were not involved in the Operation. Without any corroborating evidence for the claim that the Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades were militarily involved, I suggest it is removed from the "units involved" list. AethyrX (talk) 22:15, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Similarly, the al-Ahed News article cited in the "belligerents" section doesn't state anything about the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine's military involvement, instead affirming the organization's support for the Operation. AethyrX (talk) 22:29, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
A biased source, but the PFLP did attack some border outposts on October 7
https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/pflp-involvement-in-the-october-7-atrocities/ The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 09:47, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
"There is a consensus that NGO Monitor is not reliable for facts. Editors agree that, despite attempts to portray itself otherwise, it is an advocacy organization whose primary goal is to attack organizations that disagree with it or with the Israeli government regarding the Israeli–Palestinian conflict."
2 irrelevant sources (i.e. they don't make the claim they're cited as making) + 1 unreliable source ≠ 1 reliable source AethyrX (talk) 12:46, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Commanders and leaders

There seems to be inconsistency in who is included in the "commanders and and leaders" infobox. Why include random mid level commanders like Wissam Farhat and Roi Levy? On the Israeli side you should have the defence minister, prime minister, chief of staff, head of southern command and maybe the commander of the gaza division. On the Palestinian side, you should include Yahya Sinwar and Mohammed Deif (who should be listed as dead according to Israel, to be consistent with main Israel hamas war article) 2A13:54C2:F000:759B:AA58:2F9B:F56B:5084 (talk) 20:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

This is the October 7 attacks so it is a localised part of the wider war (where the leaders are shown). The commanders listed were those who were present on the battlefield of commanding The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 11:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Ok, but there 20 more officers of equal or higher rank in the same sector that aren't listed, the article lists only those who have been killed on the Israeli side, which is odd. 2A13:54C1:F000:16FD:6549:9F37:844A:7B4A (talk) 18:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Ok, but there 20 more officers of equal or higher rank in the same sector that aren't listed, the article lists only those who have been killed on the Israeli side, which is odd. 2A13:54C1:F000:16FD:6549:9F37:844A:7B4A (talk) 18:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
You could do an "Israeli officers killed" section I guess, and include the current list. 2A13:54C1:F000:16FD:6549:9F37:844A:7B4A (talk) 18:15, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

The pictures should be blurred unless you click on them, and should come with a graphic content warning

This is so that people don't see the graphic pictures in this article if they don't want to 100.16.156.64 (talk) 22:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Basically, Wikipedia does not do that. There would need to be a change of the policy or guidelines if this suggestion was agreed as-is, although there are various considerations that can apply. Relevant places that discuss this are WP:Offensive material, MOS:OMIMG, MOS:SHOCK, Help:Options to hide an image, WP:Content disclaimer, and WP:No disclaimers in articles. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Investigation

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/skttxumcr#autoplay Hundreds of thousands of videos and testimonies have been analyzed in the past year by the Lahav 433 unit, which was tasked with investigating the October 7 atrocities. 2.55.188.160 (talk) 08:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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