Talk:Adam Bakri

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no mention of religion

FOr Jewish actors I have noticed even when their great granny was Jewish it is forced into articles, for people who are clearly Muslim it is the opposite. Israeli is mentioned how many times in the cats? Yet what about Muslim Actors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.0.56.62 (talk) 04:23, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "Israeli-born Palestinian actor" to "Palestinian actor" 146.251.243.196 (talk) 01:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Declined. Please review WP:ETHNICITY. From this publication,[1] Bakri describes himself as Palestinian Israeli. Morbidthoughts (talk) 17:38, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bakri describes himself as Palestinian born in Israel (to be precise, in response to the magazine's question of "hometown", he says "Yafa, Israel"). Whether "Israeli" and "born in Israel" are synonymous... is apparently an issue where a lot of people have very strong opinions. For instance, Mr. Bakri — or someone claiming to be him — came on live help chat today and was quite upset that he was unable to change the article himself*, and I can't help but sympathize with his insistence that the Interview Magazine piece doesn't say he's Israeli. Because, strictly speaking, it doesn't.

Our article on "Palestinian citizens of Israel" currently says "A minority of Israel's Arab citizens include "Israeli" in some way in their self-identifying label; the majority identify as Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship."

Our article on "Israeli citizenship law", interestingly, specifies that "the Supreme Court of Israel has ruled that an Israeli nationality does not exist."

MOS:INFONAT says "Use of nationality and citizenship simultaneously should rarely if ever be necessary (complex cases should be explained in the article prose)", but I feel that this may be an exception. Thoughts?

*(he was also upset that I didn't immediately implement the change he wanted, and instead tried to explain to him why that would be a bad idea, while emphasizing that it was important he first understand how things had been interpreted this way.) DS (talk) 23:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He explicitly says "I’m a Palestinian Israeli" in this source.[2] Morbidthoughts (talk) 17:46, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider removing this link since it is outdated. The magazine has acknowledged the error and published an updated version of the interview, available here: [3]. In accordance with the clause of the Biographies of Living Persons (BLP) policy regarding "Contentious Material," what you wrote and quoted should be removed from the talk page due to the incorrect representation of my nationality. Here is the clause:

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Thank you for your cooperation. 2603:7000:6400:1476:3420:1F5B:65AB:2F7C (talk) 14:25, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are quoting an archived version of the article. Please kindly find the current version:

https://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/discovery-adam-bakri

thank you for your cooperation 2603:7000:6400:1476:B593:B95D:6698:101 (talk) 19:07, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:LINKROT. He said it. The updated article makes no mention of any retraction or reason, and I'm not going to speculate why. The updated Interview article also refers to him as "Israeli-born" which is reflected on the wikipedia article. Wikipedia WP:ETHNICITY emphasises citizenship over ethnicity and we are mentioning the Israeli-born part because his citizenship needs to be distinguished from Palestinians who do not have Israeli citizenship. Morbidthoughts (talk) 20:01, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, there was an earlier version of the interview? Hadn't realized.

That said, how would you feel about switching the 'nationality' field to 'citizenship'? Or having both? (As mentioned - strictly speaking, Bakri doesn't have Israeli nationality because nobody does.) DS (talk) 21:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind but then there's the issue of no such thing as Palestinian citizenship. Nationality is meant to be who has jurisdiction over you, rather than what country your family is originally from or another word for ethnicity. All citizens of a country are considered nationals of that country. The distinctive inclusion of the word "nationality" in MOS:NATIONALITY was meant to describe people from places that aren't officially countries like British Hong Kong, the 4 nations of the UK, or Puerto Rico. (See [4]) Does the Palestinian Authority have jurisdiction over him just because he is of Palestinian blood? He's never lived in West Bank, the area they control or Gaza where Hamas does. Morbidthoughts (talk) 22:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

please find attached articles with prominent magazines where Bakri identifies as Palestinian:

Esquire :

https://www.esquireme.com/culture/how-adam-bakri-came-to-his-senses

GQ :

https://www.gqmiddleeast.com/culture/palestinian-actor-adam-bakri-quest

and of course Interview Magazine :

https://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/discovery-adam-bakri

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Please note that Adam comes from an artistic family who are deeply rooted in their Palestinian heritage.

Kindly find Adam's father, actor Mohammad Bakri's wikipedia page:

Mohammad Bakri

Once again, thank you for your cooperation. It is highly appreciated. 2603:7000:6400:1476:2835:7D8F:938F:149D (talk) 23:28, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"but then there's the issue of no such thing as Palestinian citizenship" - yes, that's the point. He's got Israeli citizenzhip and Palestinian nationality. How would you feel about having those both in the infobox? DS (talk) 23:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

His father’s page can be used as an example.

it can go like this:

Nationality: Palestinian

And then place of birth: Jaffa, Israel. 2603:7000:6400:1476:B593:B95D:6698:101 (talk) 00:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please change "Israeli-born Palestinian actor" to "Palestinian actor" Sandyerix (talk) 18:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tens of thousands of Palestinian citizens of Israel, including individuals like Adam, choose to identify themselves as Palestinian. It is important to honor people's preferences regarding their self-identification. It is disheartening that this topic is still under discussion here.

Adam has openly expressed his Palestinian identity in major magazines like GQ, Interview, and Vogue, as well as on his verified social media platforms.

Wikipedia can keep the place of birth as Jaffa/Israel but it is crucial to respect his nationality, as he is the descendant of Palestinians from both sides of his family. And this is how he identifies as. Adambakriactor (talk) 01:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving aside the merits of your argument, which shouldn't be complicated, but nonetheless is...

If you're going to have a username that identifies you as Adam Bakri, then referring to yourself in the third person feels kind of dishonest. And if you're not Adam Bakri, then you shouldn't have a username that says you are. DS (talk) 01:45, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correction Request for National Identity Misrepresentation on My Page

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

What I think should be changed: my nationality is Palestinian and I identify as one. I kindly ask you to remove the word “Israeli” in the info box.
Why it should be changed: I am Palestinian from both sides of my parents and I identify as Palestinian.
References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): my verified instagram page where I clearly identify as Palestinian: https://www.instagram.com/adammbakri/?hl=en

Recent GQ article: https://www.gqmiddleeast.com/culture/palestinian-actor-adam-bakri-quest Recent Esquire interview: https://www.esquireme.com/culture/how-adam-bakri-came-to-his-senses

ACTORADAMBAKRI (talk) 15:00, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

There is currently a thread about this at the Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, so to avoid repetition, please discuss there.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 21:55, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Already done Justarandomamerican (talk) Have a good day! 02:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]