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December 10, 2020Good article nomineeListed
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More recent picture?

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She must be about 13 in the photo. MaxBrowne (talk) 10:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life

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There are three reasons to avoid including the material about her current college studies and her current social media activities including offering of lessons:

  • WP:VERIFY "In Wikipedia, verifiability means that other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it."
  • WP:NOTADIARY "Ensure that Wikipedia articles are not: ... A diary. Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. For example, news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to over-detailed articles that look like a diary."
  • WP:NOTADVERTISING "Wikipedia is not ... a vehicle for ... advertising."

Bruce leverett (talk) 01:54, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Youngbabushka: Thank you for the courtesy of explaining your reasoning. It is reasonable, as you have suggested, to compare this biography with other Wiki biographies, a procedure that I have used in editing other articles. I looked at the biographies of the other seven competitors in the Women's World Chess Championship 2019. Two of them have no "Personal life" section at all. Some of them have "Personal life" sections that are laden with footnotes and adhere strictly to WP:VERIFY. This is true even of the article about Mariya Muzychuk in which the statement that she plays table tennis is supported by a citation of an interview on another website. I do not see any departures from this standard in these seven articles. Looking elsewhere, I see that the article about Magnus Carlsen has a "Personal life" section that is eight paragraphs long, yet every sentence is supported by a citation that the reader can easily follow. I would not expect the article about Goryachkina to be as long and detailed as the article about Carlsen, but it would be disappointing if it did not adhere to the same high standard.

Regarding the statement that she offers lessons via social media, I would be greatly understating if I said that advertising is frowned upon in Wikipedia. If I had not removed this, any of several dozen other editors would soon have done so. If Wikipedia were a free bulletin board on which to advertise one's services, it would soon be overwhelmed with such advertisements, and would become useless for anything else.

Regarding the statement that she is active on Skype and Discord, I cannot complain that this is difficult to verify. But what is the point? Anyone who wants to get in touch with Ms. Goryachkina would not come to Wikipedia to learn how to do so. Besides, people move from one social medium to another all the time; who knows which ones she will be using next year or even next month.

If and when she gets a degree from Moscow State University, it will be natural to include that information in the Personal life section. It will, of course, also be easy to verify (a citation would not be necessary, I think). But right now, it's not so interesting. People change from one college to another, or they change their course of study, or they leave college altogether, and it is not helpful to readers to try to keep track of this sort of thing in Wikipedia. But, regarding this particular item, if you think it is particularly important, I would defer to your judgment. But I would encourage you to try to adhere to the standard of verifiability.

Bruce leverett (talk) 04:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

To the above list of guidelines about the do's and don'ts of Wikipedia editing, I would add a fourth:

  • WP:CONFLICT "Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships. … "COI editing is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia."

If you are "personally related" to Aleksandra Goryachkina, then you are severely limited in the edits you can make to the article about her. Among other things, they must be "uncontroversial" edits. If several other (experienced) editors object to an edit, it is by definition "controversial".

Bruce leverett (talk) 19:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Diacritics in Russian name?

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Goryachkina's first name in Russian is given here as Александра. Her fellow Russian grandmaster Alexandra Kosteniuk's first name is given on her Wikipedia page as Алекса́ндра. Should the а́ be an a in Kosteniuk's name, or should the a be an а́ in Goryachkina's name, or are the two Russian spellings interchangeable, or are they different names?

Nadia Caraiani (talk) 04:17, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I tried going to the Russian Wikipedia articles about each of these two. That is, go to Aleksandra Goryachkina, and then look down the left column, and click on "Русский"; and likewise for Kosteniuk. It appears that, in the first sentence of the article about Goryachkina, there are no diacritics, while in the first sentence of the article about Kosteniuk, there is a diacritic on each word of her name.
I do not know if this is a reliable method of finding out how their names "should" be spelled, or if it is completely wack. I have never seen these diacritics in Russian-language text before, but there they were. Bruce leverett (talk) 06:51, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More about Personal Life

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I was unable to retrieve the interview with Potapov, even using the Wayback Machine. I would be grateful for help with this.

The FIDE profile mentions that her father is a FM, but it doesn't mention that her mother is a CM. If her mother is FIDE rated, I could look her up and confirm this -- what name would I use?

It is good for a 9-year-old to have a rating of 1454, but I don't think that Oxana's current rating is suitable to be mentioned in the article about Aleksandra.

Would it be possible to find English-language articles or interview about Aleksandra's personal life? Most readers of English Wikipedia cannot follow the Russian-language interviews -- hmm, Google translate isn't working for me …

Bruce leverett (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I missed something important in the FIDE profile. It says that her mother is a CM. I think it would be correct to mention her mother's name in this paragraph, if I knew it.
It appears that Chess Lounge is part of Discord. Strictly speaking, this should not be discussed under Personal Life -- it is part of her chess career.
Bruce leverett (talk) 03:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Aleksandra Goryachkina/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk · contribs) 13:49, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Early life and background

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2008–14: Two-time World Junior champion, second-youngest WGM

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2015–18: Teenage Grandmaster, two-time Russian champion

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2019–present: World Championship challenger

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  • in March highlighted by - sentence is turning into a bit of a run-on, how about in March. Her performance was highlighted by
    • Split in two: "Goryachkina gained back most of the rating points she lost in the preceding few months at the beginning of 2019. In particular, she scored 6½/11 at the 2019 European Individual Chess Championship in March, notably recording a win against Rauf Mamedov, who was rated 2701 at the time." Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:47, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • which was being revived in conjunction with the dissolution of the knockout format that had been used for the past two decades - not sure refs 55 and 56 cover this. If they don't, could you provide a citation for this?
  • by a wide margin of 1½ points - by 1½ points
I am not sure it is necessary to say this, anyway. I am accustomed to thinking of a margin of 1½ points as a wide margin, I don't need to be told. But if you really need to say that's a wide margin, then I recommend that instead of "by a wide margin of 1½ points", you say "by 1½ points, a wide margin".

I am not accustomed to seeing hyphens in "clear first", "joint first", "joint second", "career best", and so on. Is this some strange Wikipedia usage? Bruce leverett (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll fix that. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 18:08, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't need "the" in "won on the tiebreak criteria." Bruce leverett (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"She resumed competition at the Russian World Championship Higher League ..." - Does the word "World" belong here? Bruce leverett (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And this. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 18:08, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

International events

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  • at the 2013 European Team Chess Championship. She scored - at the 2013 European Team Chess Championship, scoring
  • Link Georgia
  • Since the previous paragraph starts with Goryachkina, start the second with In 2016, Goryachkina made her Chess Olympiad debut on the third board
  • She did not have a good performance, scoring 4.5/9 for a performance rating of 2328 as Russian finished one spot out of the medals - Undoubtedly true, but subjective. How about She finished 11th out of 20 on the board, scoring 4.5/9 for a performance rating of 2328 as Russian finished one spot out of the medals
  • Nonetheless, Goryachkina fared much better, winning the bronze medal on the second board and playing behind only Kosteniuk - Nonetheless, Goryachkina won a medal this time, earning the bronze on the second board and finishing behind only Kosteniuk
    • Changed to "Nonetheless, Goryachkina won a medal this time, winning the bronze on the second board while playing behind only Kosteniuk." (the last part is stating that Kosteniuk played on the top board) Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nevertheless at their next event, Russia won their third consecutive European Team Championship. - I don't think nevertheless is a good transition, since China's not part of Europe. Also, what was Russia's next event?
  • Take out also in the last sentence.

National events

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  • Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug is referred to as YaNAO at first mention and Yamal in second. Use the same one so readers won't think you're talking about a different place the second time.

Personal life

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Are the bottom two links duplicates? If so, one should be removed; if not, they should be differentiated somehow. I know the spelling's different, but if it's additional records for the same person, there should be an explanatory note.

Great article! Most of my comments are just picky grammar suggestions. Once these changes are addressed, it should be a good article! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 14:52, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, Sanfranciscogiants17!! I addressed everything above. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:44, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good, passing. Well done! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 17:54, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

fifth-youngest woman to earn the Grandmaster title as a teenager

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When I read this, I naturally want to know who were the four younger ones. (This used to be "sixth woman ...", when I read that I wanted to know who were the first five.) There should be a citation or a Wikilink here. Bruce leverett (talk) 19:24, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's in the main part of the article (per MOS:CITELEAD): The Youngest Chess Grandmasters In History‎. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 21:02, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, missed that. Bruce leverett (talk) 22:31, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]