Talk:All-time Olympic Games medal table

Winter map

Can someone please correct the Winter Olympics map as Nigeria, Eritrea and Kosovo competed in 2018 and Saudia Arabia in 2022 and they aren't updated as states which have taken part. Chiemgau05 (talk) 18:51, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Information redundancy

I find this article too long for what it is. While reading this, I felt like I was seeing the same things several times in different places. And to be honest, I really think the first big table is enough. We can retrieve all the information given by the other tables by applying the right filters to this table. So maybe we can just keep this table and delete everything else. It might be a little brutal but at least it will be cleaner. Virkin (talk) 12:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• I completely agree. The first table is quite enough. Nitobus (talk) 17:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I disagree that the other information can only be filtered from the main table.

Several sources and different media (even different by country) sometimes include the achievements of predecessor states to successor states in their all-time medal tables and are inconsistent in doing so, as they arbitrarily include the predecessors for individual successor states, but at the same time ignore them for other nations.

The other sections serve to inform the reader how the discrepancies in other sources come about and show how the records could be attributed to the individual countries depending on the interpretation. Miria~01 (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

While I'm not sure about including everything in a single table, I strongly agree that this entire article is a mess. It would be way more useful for readers if things were organised better. Footy2000♡; 18:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

This entire article is excellent and very organized, has all the data a reader would want, is long-term stable and reflects the combined efforts of an army of editors. Keep as-is. Jeff in CA (talk) 04:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

I say keep it as it is. You don't have to scroll past the first table if you're not interested. Bkatcher (talk) 05:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

German Medal Count

It makes absolutely no sense of splitting up Germany‘s medals into Germany (post Unification); West Germany and East Germany. There should be one Germany with all medals. After all do we split up say France into Third Republic, Forth Republic, Fifth Republic ? Makes no sense. Or did you split up Ethiopia into a new country after Eritrea left ? 146.0.191.120 (talk) 06:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

It's a thorny problem, but I support the way things stand. If Ethiopia had become a new country as well, I'd agree (much like Czechoslovakia became Czechia and Slovakia), but East and West Germany were entirely separate nations. Bkatcher (talk) 13:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

You can separate the GDR from the medal count, sure. But the Bundesrepublik isn't a new identity after reunification 80.138.92.17 (talk) 19:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

This is a longstanding questions that comes up probably every Olympics, but the way we and the IOC have it with respect to the various Germanies is correct. See Germany at the Olympics and its Talk page. Jmj713 (talk) 20:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

“Only… Switzerland”

There’s a statement about 100% participation rate, but when I opened boycotts, Switzerland boycotted Melbourne? Can this statement be clarified? 175.36.219.135 (talk) 14:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

From the Switzerland at the 1956 Summer Olympics article: Switzerland boycotted the 1956 Summer Olympics in Melbourne, Australia because of the Soviet Union's invasion of Hungary. However, the equestrian events were held in Stockholm, Sweden earlier in the year because of the Australian quarantine laws. The Swiss team competed in Stockholm, winning a bronze medal. Bkatcher (talk) 14:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Art gold medal from 1924 Paris Olympics.

I am curious, why isn't ths gold medal won by Konstantinos Dimitriadis counted? I think it should be counted as it was a competition and part of the Olympics. Chronograph 1985 (talk) 15:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

The IOC no longer counts the art awards as Olympic medals.Bkatcher (talk) 16:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Greece Profile - olympics.com

That's not true. The IOC does count the Artistic competitions (as well as the alpinism and the aeronautics) medals in the profiles of all NOCs. But that doesn't mean that the medals from the Art competitions necessarily have to be inserted in the table. Miria~01 (talk) 16:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

St Lucia

They won their first ever medal last night, should be removed from the list of medal-less NOCs 2001:8003:17A5:7500:B5D6:2A85:A13C:9A21 (talk) 05:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Dominica too 2001:8003:17A5:7500:B5D6:2A85:A13C:9A21 (talk) 05:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

The chart will not be updated until the games are over to avoid duplicate entries. Bkatcher (talk) 03:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2024

Please update Morocco. +1 gold medal which makes it 8 gold medals and 25 in total 105.69.235.6 (talk) 00:31, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 02:24, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, the chart will not be updated until the games are over. Updating just one country is too confusing and risks added medals twice. Bkatcher (talk) 03:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok then, thanks. 197.146.75.4 (talk) 17:04, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

ROC counted under Russia

Medals won by athletes competing under the ROC (Russian Olympic Committee) as well as the OAR (Olympic Athletes from Russia) are counted as won by Russia here. But Russia was banned from competing in the Olympics, and the medals as such should not be counted under Russia here, but instead attributed to the committees consisting of the individual athletes. This would be in line with the IOC guidelines. 192.38.90.58 (talk) 13:26, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Misunderstood the table, it specifically said they count the committees, so there is not problem. 192.38.90.58 (talk) 13:32, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2024

I would like to update the number of Olympic Medals won by the Republic of Moldova, including the ones from the ongoing Paris 2024 Olympics. Leonard Urusciuc (talk) 12:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: As mentioned above, we don't update the table until the games are over. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 12:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Status of Finland

The Grand Duchy of Finland was part of the Russian Empire until 1917. It competed as part of the Russian Empire team at the 1900 and 1904 Games, before forming its own NOC and competing independently in 1908 and 1912. By the 1920 Games, and ever since, Finland has competed as an independent nation.

The section Russian Federation and the Soviet Union, and in particular the table showing the successor states of the Russian Empire and Soviet Union teams, could be altered with an additional column to reflect this fact. I do not make this change myself, firstly because I lack the technical knowledge, and secondly because there may be some objections to this move — although I believe it would be quite consistent with the presentation in the other subsections on the topic of defunct and successor nations. SamBrev (talk) 15:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

How should the "Medal leaders by year" tables be counted?

The "Medal leaders by year" section title differs from what is shown in the actual table, which lists "Most gold medals." This is currently an issue because the U.S. and China tied for gold during Paris 2024 which isn't reflected in the table. The section title should be clarified to to "Gold medal leaders by year," and shared winners should be added for US/China this year and to the winter games, right?

Norway/Finland tied for gold medals in the 1924 games but Norway is shown as the country with the most medals. In 2018 the gold medal counts are tied between Norway/Germany but only Norway is listed. The only shared row is winter 1948 where the total medal count is the same (for Norway/Sweden.)

Alternatively, the lists get redone by total medal count, which would affect 4 or 5 winter games but have fewer ties. Bramo126 (talk) 19:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Ranking order based first on the number of gold medals won, then silver and bronze as can be seen in Paris 2024 Olympic Medal Table - olympics.com for the 2024 Summer Olympics. I have changed the misleading column title "most gold medals" to country, because the country with first place in the medal ranking is indicated and not just the one with the most gold medals. Miria~01 (talk) 22:56, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2024

Change winner of Paris 2024 olympics from USA/China to USA. The USA had more silver medals. 46.34.230.93 (talk) 20:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 21:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Done.

Source: Paris 2024 Olympic Medal Table - olympics.com Miria~01 (talk) 22:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Updating 2024 Results

I have updated all A through L countries through these games. Anyone else is free to take off from there, just let us know which ones you've updated. Bkatcher (talk) 18:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I think the chart is current through the 2024 Olympics. Thanks to everyone who contributed. Bkatcher (talk) 04:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but I find some of the countries' medal count have been updated, while some other countries haven't seen their medal count updated yet. Not to mention, some countries' medal count also doesn't add up as well. We would like to see this discrepancy fixed ASAP. It's been almost a week now since the Paris Games ended, so the medal count for all countries should have been updated right then (with the accurate medal count of course). Please, someone with authority should look into this. Ryumikhail (talk) 22:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2024

Japan's medal count is incorrect. TungCoder (talk) 02:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Someone corrected that. Bkatcher (talk) 03:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

 Already done '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Medal map

Could someone with map making skills update the Summer Olympic medals map? Guatemala, Botswana, Albania, Dominica, St. Lucia, and Cape Verde need to be updated. Bkatcher (talk) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bkatcher, I've updated the Summer Olympic all-time medal map based on the countries that won new medals in the Paris Olympic Games. Thank you for reminding me to do this. PitConclave (talk) 18:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for doing it! Bkatcher (talk) 19:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Art competitions medals are constantly added without consensus

The Art competitions medals, primarily USA, are constantly being added by ip-users or as well as accounts that are not confirmed or autoconfirmed.

But to my knowledge there is no consensus on this and if there is then all countries medal records that have won a medal in this competition as well as in Alpinism and Aeronautics would have to be changed.

Therefore I would recommend semi-protection for this article. Miria~01 (talk) 11:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: The IOC added them to their medal tables and it was misleading of us not to reflect this. This is, after all, the all time table, so it should be properly reflected. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

comment: to date, unfortunately only the USA has been changed in this regard and the other 22 nations affected continue to be without the medals for art comp., alpinism and aeronautics. Therefore, this should also be adapted for the other nations. Miria~01 (talk) 17:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Yep. Consistency is key, so we should be adding those as well. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:50, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose inclusion: Can someone give me evidence the IOC has suddent shifted thier position on this? This would be a major change in the charts. For instance, Monaco would be included. Bkatcher (talk) 20:06, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Monaco Profile - olympics.com
• 1924 Medals - olympics.com

https://olympics.com/en/paris-2024/national-olympic-committees

In all Olympic NOC profiles and medal tables, medals for comp, alpinism and aeronatuics are included on their pages.

• e.g. Switzerland Profile - olympics.com with art comp., alpinism and aeronautics

Miria~01 (talk) 20:18, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Bkatcher@Hey man im josh

There was also a discussion here on the WikiProject (unfortunately with little participation), but there seems to be more of a support for inclusion. The medals in art competitions as well as for the feats in alpinism and aeronautics are considered official medals by the IOC, but not as an Olympic sport. This can also be seen in the Monaco profile, where this is clearly stated.

No athlete representing Monaco has yet won an Olympic Games medal of any colour in the sports competitions. However, the medal in art competitions is listed as medal by discipline.

That is why I am also ambivalent and consider, for example, the entry of art competitions in the table for medals by sports to be actually wrong (e.g. United States at the Olympics#Medals by summer sport).

This should be also changed:

a) Medals by discipline instead of medals by sport or, which I favor more, b) in a separate table (medals by feats). Miria~01 (talk) 22:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

"2028 Summer Olympics medal table" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"2032 Summer Olympics medal table" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Luxemburg has not 2 gold Summer Olympics medals

Luxemburg is credited with 2 gold medals. This is wrong. The medal of Michel Theato in the 1900 Summer Games marathon is still for France, according to IOC.Olympic Games Paris 1900 Athletics marathon men Results.

I think we have a problem here, Wikipedia is not a primary source. This must be changed in all medals table. Luxemburg, France and All-time table. MachoCarioca (talk) 16:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

AIN medals

Should AIN medals be added to Russia and Belarus? 95.164.122.136 (talk) 17:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

No, just like the other times Russian athletes competed under the Olympic flag, they go in their own section. Bkatcher (talk) 17:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)