Talk:Any Which Way You Can

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Allegation of animal mistreatment

According to a book by Dale Peterson and Jane Goodall, the orangutan used in this movie was badly mistreated. Unfortunately, the authors mistakenly refer to the film as Every Which Way You Can instead of Any Which Way You Can, but they make it clear that the film they are referring to is the sequel. Here is the quotation from the book by Goodall and Peterson, which makes clear (the incorrect use of title notwithstanding) that all of the claims concern Buddha and not Manis (the orangutan used in the first film, Every Which Way But Loose), from pages 145 to 146 of Visions of Caliban:

The orangutan who played Clyde alongside Clint Eastwood's Philo Beddoe in the original beat-em-up fantasy, Every Which Way But Loose (1978), may be one of the organutans currently laboring under significant discipline in a nightclub slapstick comedy act in Las Vegas. The orangutan who played Clyde alongside Beddoe in the 1981 sequel, Every Which Way You Can, was apparently clubbed to death at the end of that movie.

This might explain why the starring orangutan is not identified in the credits for Every Which Way You Can, except to note that he or she was supplied by Gentle Jungle, a Hollywood purveyor of live exotic animals for entertainment. In fact, the orangutan was originally named Ichibad and then renamed Buddha before he finally became Clyde. According to one observer, Buddha was trained at Gentle Jungle with the encouragement of a can of mace and a pipe wrapped in a newspaper. According to another observer – Kenneth DeCroo, assistant animal trainer on the set – Buddha's head trainer, Boone Narr, thrashed this young male the day before filming began, to make him more docile. "He made [Buddha] sit and started making him do part of his tricks." But when the orangutan became momentarily inattentive, Narr "beat" him with a cane and then an ax handle. Buddha was "protecting himself with his arms...moving and rolling in a circle." That was before the filming began. According to a third observer, Robert Porec, a trainer formerly with Gentle Jungle, near the end of the filming of Every Which Way You Can, in May of 1980, the orangutan was caught stealing doughnuts on the set and had otherwise been "a discipline problem." He was brought back to Gentle Jungle and led into a barn by his trainers, who carried with them a three-and-a-half-foot ax handle informally known as "the Buddha club." "For the next twenty minutes," Porec stated, "I could hear a great deal of hitting and pounding. I could hear Buddha vocalising, a low grunt. It appeared that a fight was going on. I was later told that Buddha fought back." Buddha may have fought back, but he didn't have an ax handle; he was injured badly enough that for the next several days the orangutan refused to emerge from a steel drum inside his cage. In early August, Buddha was found dead in his cage, blood seeping out of his mouth; an autopsy was said to indicate cerebral hemorrhage. The movie had just been completed, and so, not to disturb that particular stuff of dreams, another orangutan named Dallas, renamed Clyde, Jr., or C.J., was hauled out to promote the film.

I include this here because I see that previous attempts to include this information have been removed on the grounds of being "unsubstantiated". I hope that this information is of assistance in making this article authoritative. 175.32.221.98 (talk) 03:52, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Also added reference to doubts cast here: http://www.coolasscinema.com/2015/03/an-interview-with-makeup-effects-artist.html 175.32.221.98 (talk) 04:50, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

The problem with this entire allegation is that both Manis, the oran-gutan in the first movie, and C.J. of the second movie, show up in multiple movies and tv-shows after either. The reason Manis was replaced was that, in the intervening 2 years, he had grown so much bigger he wasn't a reasonable re-cast. C.J., meanwhile, appeared in various productions up until at least 1986, something that would have been rather hard if he'd been "clubbed to death", something that is also remarkably nonsensical. There's be many other more likely ways of taking the animals life than something that sounds like it was made up to engender an emotional response. 2001:9B0:46:0:0:0:CD5:2BCD (talk) 21:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

As it says in the article, Buddha is the orang who appeared in the movie and was killed. CJ was brought in to do publicity after Buddha's death (at which point production had already wrapped). Monkeywire (talk) 22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)