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Must be released?

Can we provide a citation to this? or do we just leave it as hearsay? "All vessels within 200 mi (320 km) of the U.S. coastline are required to release any billfish caught." Actually NC and Federal law permits one BM per trip, over 99 inches. There exists no "200 mile" law. In fact I just watched FOUR, one weighing in at 800 pounds, being dragged onto the dock today during the Big Rock Blue Marlin Tournament. I will post my cite, how about the author of this alleged rule posting his? http://www.outer-banks.nc.us/tgod/fishing/fishtab.htm

Last time I checked my charts, Morehead City NC was within 200 miles of the U.S. coastline, and the fish in question were caught 40 miles out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:F481:BA00:3906:985D:A86A:14C6 (talk) 02:23, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah but what do they eat?

"The Atlantic blue marlin feeds on a wide variety of organisms near the surface. It uses its bill to stun, injure, or kill while knifing through a school of fish or other prey, then returns to eat the injured or stunned fish."

THEN next paragraph...

"the blue marlin preys on a wide variety of marine organisms, mostly near the surface, often using its bill to stun or injure its preys."

Seems like somebody forgot they already cut and pasted that part. How many times do we need to mention wide variety of organisms near the surface and using it's bill to stun or kill? Maybe if we add it five or six more times the reader will understand by the time they get to the bottom of the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:F481:BA00:3906:985D:A86A:14C6 (talk) 02:10, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Makaira nigricans or Makaira mazara ??

Atlantic blue marlin (Makaira nigricans) are the same to Pacific blue marlin (Makaira mazara) ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chisboy (talk • contribs) 15:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- It's especially confusing that M. mazara redirects to M. nigricans! Different species surely! When I get time I will remove link and start M. mazara article. Ian Page (talk) 19:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC) -- Forget that, I now see why. Still the redirect is confusing - any solution for that? Ian Page (talk) 19:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How Fast Can They Swim?

They look like torpedoes. Just curious.

70.219.121.51 (talk) 19:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Makaira_nigricans.html http://www.safmc.net/FishIDandRegs/FishGallery/BlueMarlin/tabid/253/Default.aspx--Grander13 (talk) 14:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC) http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/Gallery/Descript/BlueMarlin/BlueMarlin.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grander13 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC) http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/fish/blue-marlin.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grander13 (talk • contribs) 00:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good Reference

ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/009/ac480e/AC480E06.pdf--Grander13 (talk) 14:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://spo.nmfs.noaa.gov/mfr522/mfr5223.pdf

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tcmarina.com/JPEG/BluePopup432.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tcmarina.com/Tournaments.html&usg=__uqJXOqqLV3jHtQOkZdmxSkYs5pw=&h=288&w=432&sz=23&hl=en&start=53&um=1&tbnid=wyYwB8uY6nrTwM:&tbnh=84&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dblue%2Bmarlin%2Bbeing%2Btagged%2Band%2Breleased%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grander13 (talk • contribs) 01:18, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/Gallery/Descript/BlueMarlin/BlueMarlin.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grander13 (talk • contribs) 22:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Broad in Coverage

The large "chunk" of information under the reproduction section on information regarding gonad weight is not in line with Good Article criteria as the article should be:

Broad in its coverage:(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic and (b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). There may also be issues regarding the inclusion of original research in an encyclopedia article.

A review of this information Wikipedia:Good article criteria might prove helpful in your ultimate quest for GA status.

Perhaps a survey of other Wikipedia articles on Big Game Fish may be beneficial in providing a model for your efforts here? --JimmyButler (talk) 04:40, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This coloration is derived from exposed iridophores mediated by adrenergic stimulation. The fine line between an encyclopedic article and publishing for the journal Nature. I recommend either:

expanding, translating, or incorporating into text (if it is relevant to an understanding of Marlin). Otherwise it is just hanging there in a most obvious and intimidating way. OR
deleting it for much the same reasons that I stated above. --JimmyButler (talk) 03:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Outstanding feedback.

An exceptionally detailed list of challenges. See this as an opportunity - not a set back. I'm certain, given such a list that you will focus on the improvement and will be GA very soon. If you are unsure of any of the concern raised here; I'm certain we can work through solutions in class. For example, some well placed emails would likely lead to some permission granted photos of Marlins. Keep the faith and maintain the effort. Cheers.--JimmyButler (talk) 23:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

This is a very nice article with a lot of interesting information. Still, I would like to suggest some changes.

~~Stick to one name for the feature in the main text. I.e. don't refer to it with the scientific name.~~
~~Two different etymologies are given for the genus name. The are not really contradictory, but need to be clarified, greek -> latin -> scientific.~~
This is the english language wikipedia. So I don't think names in other languages should be given. I compared with a featured article about a common bird, and it did not provide names in other languages. You may want to ask your teacher about this.
~~The "other" common english names should be in the introduction and in bold.~~ ~~Please also create redirect pages for these names, so people who enter those names end up in this nice article.~~
The drawing provides much more information about the fish than the photo in the taxobox does. Consider swapping places. But maybe the format makes this awkward.

I realize from the discussion above, that the drawing must be exactly where it is. --Ettrig (talk) 22:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Please tell in the image description where the drawing came from. Did you draw it yourself or is it from a very old book?~~
The introduction says very much about fishing, but the article rather little. Can you shorten the fishing part and add more about the other aspects?

--Ettrig (talk) 22:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I created a redirect page for ocean guard. (I trust you on this.) Click on the wikilink here. You will then end up in the article for atlantic blue marlin. But under the headline it says "Redirected from ocean guard". You can click on this ocean guard, to see the redirect page itself. There you can click on "edit this page" to see how it was made. Similar pages can be made for the other alternative names. --Ettrig (talk) 11:50, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To specify source for the nice marlin picture: 1) click on the picture as it appears in the article 2) click on "description page there" 3) click on "edit" 4) augment the text after "source=". It currently says "Own work by uploader". If you did draw this yourself, then that is wonderful and you can write something like "drawn by the uploader. If you copied this from an old book you can write something like "Copied from Illustrated Atlantic fish, 1917, by August Patterson". But I have seen that you are much better than me at creating book references. 4) save the page. --Ettrig (talk) 12:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Photos

The photo in the taxobox is from here. I think that is OK, because the picture says it is from NOAA and federal government work is generally public domain. See Template:PD-USGov-NOAA, similar to the one in the picture of the prey fish. Anyway, the page on Wikimedia should not say that this is own work by grander13, but rather carry this template. Where the marlin was found there is also a nice picture of larval stadii (stadiums?) which is also government work. --Ettrig (talk) 17:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Billfish

Billfish is given in the lead as an alternate name for ABM. Further down it is used for a group of fishes. Is Billfish really a name for ABM? Since Billfish is not a taxon and the Wikipedia article Billfish is very unclear there is need to explain more clearly in this article what is meant by Billfish here. --Ettrig (talk) 19:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is more of a broad term that some people use for all species of fish classified as "billfish" I could just take it out.--Grander13 (talk) 02:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, remove it as alternative name. Then it is used only for the bigger group of fish, family+ . --Ettrig (talk) 15:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Life span

I don't think the life span fits under the headline "Reproduction" but couldn't think of a good place. Maybe rename the section to Life cycle? --Ettrig (talk) 20:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is done. (Life cycle) --Ettrig (talk) 15:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So close now

This is now a very good article. Only three points in the "critique" remain unprocessed: Explain iridophore, adrenergic and caudal peduncle. Then put it up as GA candicate. Go for it! --Ettrig (talk) 16:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm having trouble finding an accurate definition for "adrenergic stimulation." I myself do not know the actual meaning.--Grander13 (talk) 23:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe everything else is done. Thanks for all the help and advice. Cheers! --Grander13 (talk) 23:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is a lot on this in other Wikipedia articles. Searching for adrenergic, I found for example Adrenergic receptor. My interpretation is that the appearance of the Iridophore cells changes as a response to the hormone epinephrine, the hormone that prepares for fight or flight. I think the sentence needs to be split into two. (Even closer now.) --Ettrig (talk) 08:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think I am done now.--Grander13 (talk) 01:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

YES! So do I. Good work. There will be more comments at GAC of course. But the first review was extremely thorough, so I there should not be much left now. --Ettrig (talk) 07:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Skeleton

If you want a picture of the fish's skeleton, there is a useable one at [1]. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 01:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can probably use that picture. Thanks. --Grander13 (talk) 21:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

citations needed

The section on diet and feeding needs citations.-Neptunerover (talk) 23:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Indo-Pacific blue marlin

It is discussed only briefly in text and ignored elsewhere. Particularly in the range map (which misleadingly shows them as being only found in the Atlantic) and the common name. Why is this? If we are following the monotypic classification, shouldn't this article also discuss the Indo-Pacific blue marlin? -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 02:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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description section - rapid color change

says "Blue marlin, like other billfish, can rapidly change color, an effect created by pigment-containing iridophores and light-reflecting skin cells" - it would be nice to find out from the article whether "rapid" is measured on the scale of seconds, days or months and also to get a hint to the cause of the color change like whether it is triggered by feeling threatened, or by change in the environments color, or seasonal, or something else. 89.134.199.32 (talk) 19:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC).[reply]