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I removed falsification and a possible copy-right violation by the IP of banned User:NisarKand, once again trying to evade his block. Tajik (talk) 23:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Absolute rubbish

This article is shockingly bad. The "Afsharid dynasty" was NOT established in 1729 after the Battle of Damghan. At that point Nader was still loyal to Tahmasp and it was the latter who was crowned shah in Isfahan after the battle. Nader did not remove Tahmasp until 1732 and he did not end the Safavid dynasty and have himself crowned shah until 1736. I will be removing the current nonsense as soon as I can. The ethnic composition of the Safavid army doesn't appear to be supported by the sources either. --Folantin (talk) 16:26, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The names of the armies Axworthy gives (as he explains in a long note on p.91) are "Persian" and "Afghan" (as does Savvinos in the PDF). --Folantin (talk) 16:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Afghans ended the Safavid dynasty after the 1722 Battle of Gulnabad. Axworthy is refering to nationalities of those forces, those from Persia were Persians and those from Afghanistan were Afghans. Others tell us the actual ethnicities of the fighters involved. Persia and Afghanistan both are multi-ethnic societies.--PanjshirPashtun (talk) 17:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, Tahmasp II and Abbas III were Safavid shahs 1729-1736. Nader restored the Safavid dynasty in 1729 (though its shahs soon became his puppets). In 1729 Nader's title was "Tahmasp Qoli" (slave of Tahmasp). I repeat, Nader did not become shah until 1736. "Axworthy is refering to nationalities of those forces, those from Persia were Persians and those from Afghanistan were Afghans". No, he isn't. See his note. "Others tell us the actual ethnicities of the fighters involved". They do? Then it would be nice to have some references (preferably more recent than 1858). --Folantin (talk) 17:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You think ending a dynasty means complete annihilation? On October 23, 1722, Soltan Hosein, ruler of the Safavid dynasty abdicated and acknowledged Mahmud Hotaki as the new shah of Persia (Axworthy pp.39-55), that's the day when Safavid dynasty (Safavid kingdom) was ended. The events of that era are very well documented and I don't see a point you arguing and discussing this here with me? You don't even need outside reference just click on Wikilinks. "No, he isn't"? and how do you know this? Provide evidence or stop arguing with me.--PanjshirPashtun (talk) 17:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So what dynasty was Shah Tahmasp II then? Afsharid? Perhaps you also think the Bourbon dynasty ended with the deposition of Louis XVI in 1792. --Folantin (talk) 17:41, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Source?

This "source"(http://www.sammustafa.com "The Battle of Mehmandost") is someone's internet site which as a game is representing this battle. Hardly a 3rd party published source and needs to be removed. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]