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Disbarred?

Why is Clinton linked to the category of disbarred American Lawyers? It's very publically discussed that he did NOT get disbarred (and the article does not even try to make any mention of it at all), but that he was suspended in Arkansas and retired his license for the Supreme Court before they could decide over disbarring him. To put him into that category seems dishonest/ignorant at best and malicious at worst. Even IF there is reason to call him disbarred, why would he be linked to such a category before the article lays out such a reason? [See e.g. https://apnews.com/article/08c9ddda95024ee4a778628f749e9f4d] --5.146.47.175 (talk) 15:16, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

It's an error; I've removed it. One of his successors has been telling untruths, not surprisingly. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 15:50, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

According to both the NYT and the Guardian, the US Supreme court did, in fact, disbar President Clinton. [See e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/02/duncancampbell] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.38.117.83 (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Not quite. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-clinton-fined-and-disbarred-over-the-monica-lewinsky-scandal/ --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 16:09, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

He would have been disbarred but he resigned/quite before that could happen. It was a way to save face. So technically he was never disbarred. Hardyplants (talk) 22:44, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

"A lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs" --WP:MOSLEAD

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section says "As a general rule of thumb, a lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs and be carefully sourced as appropriate."

The lead of this article is far too long. I am not going to edit the page (I still have setting myself on fire as a less painful option) but could you who are working on this page please come to an agreement on a lead that is a reasonable length? --Guy Macon (talk) 13:45, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Bill Clintin is a little too long isnt he. 2601:1C2:101:3480:6C4E:310B:BAB0:DE2A (talk) 20:00, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

The whole article is too long and I trimmed the lede and events that were not among his major activities. Rjensen (talk) 07:55, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

David Hale Comments

The comments about David Hale should be rewritten -- they can be easily misread as saying Hale was governor of Arkansas. Confused use of pronouns.

Yeah, I think so too. Fixed, thanks! --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 21:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2021

He is the first presdident elected after the end of the Cold War. 14.192.216.169 (talk) 00:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:34, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

First Democrat to be re-elected since Franklin D. Roosevelt

In the 1996 presidential election sub-section, I changed "He became the first Democratic incumbent since Lyndon B. Johnson to be elected to a second term and the first Democrat since Franklin D. Roosevelt to be elected president more than once." to "He became the first Democrat to win re-election since Franklin D. Roosevelt." in this edit. I did so as as the initial version implied that Lyndon B, Johnson was elected to a second term, though he wasn't elected to two terms. He was elected president just once in 1964. He became the president on November 22, 1963 upon the assassination of John F. Kennedy. He was never elected in 1963. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:15, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Seems trivial to me, especially considering that Truman and LBJ were elected to full terms as incumbents, which muddies the waters. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

You'll find a lot of grammatical errors, when an official is seeking a full term. It's usually described as running fore re-election, which of course, is totally incorrect. Sometimes you'll get the phrase "seeking re-election to a second term" which is silly, when it should read "seeking re-election" or "seeking a second term". GoodDay (talk) 01:55, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, there is a relevant discussing going on at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Electoral history of Bill Clinton in prep 1. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

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Autobiographies should NOT be used as citations

My Life is referenced nearly 10 times in this article. Autobiographies should NOT be used as citations. I hope someone can take the time to remedy this. Kingturtle = (talk) 20:39, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't really see this as an issue. Over half of the citations are used in conjunction with a reliable secondary source, one is to support a quoted passage from the book, and the remaining few are used to cite mild, uncontroversial historical detail, e.g. that he was an "active student leader, avid reader, and musician" in high school. ValarianB (talk) 12:03, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2021

I request this sentence in the second paragraph in the introduction be changed from "He then received a Rhodes Scholarship to study at University College, Oxford, and Yale Law School." to "He then received a Rhodes Scholarship to study at University College, Oxford, and after he later graduated Yale Law School."

As currently written, the sentence implies Clinton attended Yale Law School while still on a Rhodes Scholarship. The Rhodes Scholarship, however, only applies for study at Oxford and Clinton ended his Rhodes Scholarship after he left Oxford before receiving a degree. Changing the sentence to my suggestion (or a variation thereof) would correct the sentence and help fix any confusion it may cause. 74.64.68.127 (talk) 21:16, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done Interesting Geek (talk) 17:46, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Call for citation

This article begins with five paragraphs of uncited material, including some fairly bold claims. Please work to cite reliable 3rd-party sources. Josh a brewer (talk) 13:00, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Is this compatible with WP:LEADCITE? That is, are all the assertions also within the body of the article, and cited there? --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 15:42, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Justice Department

please change ((Justice Department)) to ((United States Department of Justice|Justice Department)) 2601:541:4580:8500:D953:611:9F7D:634A (talk) 21:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done – Muboshgu (talk) 21:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Question about categories

Hi. Shouldn't Clinton be in the "21st-century presidents of the United States" category? He technically was president in the first 20 (or 19 and a half) days of the century. Lucafrehley (talk) 15:01, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2021

Requesting an edit to "the evidence showed that china only targeted congressional elections and not presidential elections." China should be capitalized. Dadon801 (talk) 22:06, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 22:45, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2022

2001:D08:D8:BBA0:C879:F0E:BF28:3E67 (talk) 10:52, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

He is also the POTUS of the 20th century, and the first one at the 3rd millenium.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:26, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Grammar fix in lead section

In the fourth paragraph of the article, there is a sentence that reads "In 1999 Clinton's impeachment trial begin in the Senate." The sentence should say "began" instead of "begin".

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Impeachment

Just curious why “impeachment” is not a subheading on this individual’s wiki page. 2603:8080:1A00:29D0:CC6:9689:C78C:319F (talk) 01:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Section 5.2.1 is titled "Impeachment and acquittal" – Muboshgu (talk) 01:47, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Edit to the Personal Life tab

It says he is the maternal grandfather to his daughter’s 3 children. Maternal should be edited to paternal. 2603:8081:4A04:154E:F8C7:5C58:A861:6773 (talk) 09:36, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

No, as the grandchildren are from the mother's (Chelsea's) side, he's the maternal grandfather. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:01, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Inconsistency in lede between Clinton and Trump

This article references allegations of sexual assault in the lede, while Donald Trump does not, although the accusations and attention paid to them are comparable. I don't think this belongs in the lede of either article, and would remove it from this one. BD2412 T 04:18, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Clinton's impeachment stemmed from the more recent of a long, long, long string of sexual improprieties. Trump has, to date, not suffered any tangible losses or effects due to his assault controversies. ValarianB (talk) 12:01, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

That does not appear to be what the article says about it. Clinton's impeachment stemmed from a consensual relationship (however sordid it may have been) discovered in the course of an investigation into an allegation of sexual harassment, but not sexual assault. We, of course, need to be careful to avoid conflating harassment claims and assault claims. Clinton has not suffered tangible losses specifically relating to an actual assault constroversy. BD2412 T 15:19, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

My guy, you're a bit out of step with modern workplace dynamics. Sex between a supervisor and a subordinate is by definition sexual harassment, due to the inherent power imbalance. We even cover this in the article, the last para of Bill_Clinton#Sexual_assault_and_misconduct_allegations. As for Clinton has not suffered tangible losses, again, you're a bit out of touch. The first president impeached in over a century, a tarnished legacy, a greatly diminished role in the party in the ensuing years (Gore did not have him campaign for him in 2000, and his appearances for Hillary in 2016 were limited by the growing #MeToo movement). There's also the loss of his law license, though he was not actually disbarred as some far-right critics still erroneously assert. All in all, Clinton's impropriety is central to his biography. ValarianB (talk) 16:38, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

In that case, the lede should be changed to more accurately specify "his personal conduct and allegations of sexual harassment against him", yes? Or perhaps "allegations of sexual misconduct against him"? Those would conform more accurately to your characterization of the underlying events as "by definition sexual harassment". BD2412 T 16:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Photo of Bill Clinton shaking hands with President Kennedy at the White House in 1963

Why isn't there a really good, clear copy of the photograph of Clinton, at age 17, shaking hands with President John F. Kennedy at the White House in 1963? Since it was taken by a government employee, it's by definition in the public domain but somehow is not in Wikimedia! Why is this amazing picture being suppressed? Racing Forward 18:56, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

As if I didn't know.... Racing Forward (talk) 19:00, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2023

Remove "Vice Chair of the National Governors Association" from the infobox. It's not significant, and the infobox is pretty long as is. UpstairsSignificance (talk) 14:10, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: It is clearly a significant position; the length of the infobox does not necessitate removal of content if it's still summarising important information accurately. Actualcpscm (talk) 19:23, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

‘Presidential Nominee’

Last time I checked, Bill Clinton was not the ‘Democratic nominee for president in the 2016 presidential election.’ 206.127.185.1 (talk) 15:47, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

The article doesn't say he was. It says his wife was, and it talks about activities he undertook in support of his wife's campaign. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:21, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Lead photo

Current photo

New photo

This article uses Bill Clinton.jpg as its lead photo, but I propose replacing it with this photo. I don't really have any major issues with the current photo, but what is kind of annoying is that its more of an initial headshot photo, like this one for George W. Bush. The photo I propose for Bill Clinton is more of an actual portrait. Rexxx7777 (talk) 22:39, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

We should keep the official portrait (as always). 2804:14D:5C32:4673:8477:9221:32BD:997F (talk) 02:45, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Adding Short Citations

I’m cleaning up duplicate citation issues for Maraniss’s "First in His Class." This article has four full citations for the same book, and one for pp.40 has inadvertently (and incorrectly) become the source cited for 12 referenced details.

I’ll add short citations when I find correct page numbers. This will add 13 short citations to an article that only has three right now. Since Further Reading also lists this reference, what is consensus around removing all full citations for the book from the citation list? This is what WP:SRF recommends but isn't common practice for this article yet. Thinkinink (talk) 01:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2024

classfied = classified 2603:8000:D300:3650:7543:8720:9759:D33D (talk) 09:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Charliehdb (talk) 09:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2024

Under the high school yearbook photo, edit to say: Clinton in Hot Springs High School's 1963 yearbook, The Old Gold Book. 74.220.137.159 (talk) 03:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: The article is about Clinton, not his high school, so the name of the yearbook isn't particularly relevant. Readers interested in the high school can already find this nickname at the linked page. Jamedeus (talk) 02:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)