Talk:Blue Pilgrims

Archiving references

@Gog the Mild: Need archiving here. Dey subrata (talk) 23:38, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: 1 or 2 citations are added, so please, archive and a request can you please check prose and copyedit, not a big article, hope you do. Thank you. Dey subrata (talk) 22:21, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: An interesting and well-referenced article..

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:08, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: Thank you, I left a message for you at my talk page after your comment. Dey subrata (talk) 07:43, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Hi, thank you for your review of the article, and also taking you time and suggestions at DYK, but I like to bring to your notice that, you recently categorised the article from "B" to "Start", though I understand there were some grammatical errors, some praraphrasing, it definitely does not come in the "start" category, its totally very primitve level, in no way the article suggests that, and secondly as all the errors are rectified and as @Cwmhiraeth: done copyediting in the article, it can be categorised as "B" now. Please put your words here. Thank you. Dey subrata (talk) 15:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Dey subrata: What copyedit? You still have numerous run-on sentences and some of your language is casual rather than encyclopedic. If you'd like me to spend time editing it, I will. I don't know how you jump from start-class to B-class. It's no more than C-class, if you insist on a ratings upgrade. Yoninah (talk) 18:41, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah:

• I am not jumping, I have created the article in the first place with well research, presentable and understandable enough with all needed citation so that it should not be a stub or a start class, that you categorised, as it follows- 1. suitably referenced and inline citation, 2. the article cover the topic does not contain obvious omissions 3. the article has a defined structure 4. the article is reasonably well written (not to be confused with "brilliantly written" which is for FA class) 5. article contain supporting material where appropriate 6. the article presents its content in an appropriately understandable way.
• Sorry, to say that, what you are suggesting is not B but for a FA class article. You failed to understand, the level of refine or flawless you are asking is generally needed for a GA & FA(we can achieve that ofcorse once such correction done). Its indeed the aim should be to make article so refine to be promoted to FA and GA. But I am not asking to get it promoted to GA or FA, I am talking about the present scenerio of the article, it absolutely align with requirements for B. This, that you pointed "...run-on sentences and some of your language is casual rather than encyclopedic", that why it should be rated as B(not brilliantly written article) rather than a GA or FA(which has brilliant flawless prose) and if these issues fixed it can be promoted to GA. And you ignored the fact that editor @Cwmhiraeth: has done copyediting, I don't understand what you are suggesting. I can see you have worked in several GA articles, so obviously, your tendency and suggestions align with the fact to refine the article so much to make it flawless (which is defined by wikipedia critera as brilliant which is for FA articles only not a B class which also a very lower class articles, 1000s of more flawed article than this are there in wikipedia with a B class, and this one very close to GA). For B the articles does not need to have "brilliant" prose. Dey subrata (talk) 20:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: And yes, surely will be happy if you rectify any flaws, its better for the article. Dey subrata (talk) 20:18, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@Dey subrata: I have taken the time to give the article a thorough copyedit. I've added a tag to the word "mosaic"—is that really what you mean, or are you referring to fans holding up cards to form an image? What seems missing from this article is information about who formed the group; it didn't arise spontaneously. Yoninah (talk) 21:26, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Thanks for refining, so far there is one meaning of "mosaic" I know. Nothing unique thing associated in sports or football or anywhere else that it need to be linked, its a simple English word. Its meaning is same, as mentioned in the article Mosaic. (art work formed by assembling pieces of glass, stone, photograph, tiles, cards, wood and so on). Dey subrata (talk) 19:25, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

No, "mosaic" is not the right word for people holding up placards to form an image. The same was done by huge crowds at events honoring Mao Zedong. This kind of "pop art" is not even mentioned in the mosaic article. I think you should just say "people holding up placards" rather than "mosaic". Yoninah (talk) 17:35, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I am sorry, its called mosaic formation in whole over world in any sports event...there are many such examples you can get once you google. And mosaic itself means, (art work formed by assembling pieces of glass, stone, photograph, tiles, cards, wood and so on) as I mentioned before. I don't understand, its just simple English word, what wrong with it. Here is a clarification for you, check this or this. Its perfectly ok to me and any football enthusiast can easily related to it, ita a common thing in sports. Dey subrata (talk) 02:52, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. OK, we'll agree to call it a mosaic :) Yoninah (talk) 17:19, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: I added the section in the article this year only(may be in January), but did not had any intention of making a article on Blue Pilgrims, as not much sources were available, but when I got sufficient materials like those of the notable events, I then thought of creating the article. This can be called similarities rather copied, cause that section in India INT is not copied from Blue Pligrims article rather materials taken from that section used in Blue Pilgrims articles, secondly Blue Pilgrims have much more detailed information, more will be added in Blue Pilgrims as they are going to do something big on 15th October. Anyway, by rules A5, "...then the copied text must be expanded fivefold as if the copied text had been a separate article." I really don't get this point, what its trying to say. Please let me know. Dey subrata (talk) 22:03, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

New section

Hi Yoninah I am going to add a new section in the article. Will you please do copyedit in it. The section is not big, its about another event. Please let me know. Thank you. Dey subrata (talk) 11:58, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@Dey subrata: OK. Let me know when it's ready. Yoninah (talk) 12:10, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I am sorry, taken a longer time. I just added the section. Its the last section. Let me know when you have done. Thank you. Dey subrata (talk) 00:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@Dey subrata: yes, I was busy, but I did it now. I wrote it in the style of the other sections under Notable events. Yoninah (talk) 23:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Thanks for taking time. Dey subrata (talk) 00:19, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: I just need a little tweak, "....collaborative work among all groups of fans, as Mohun Bagan..." to "collaborative work among all groups of Kolkata Derby fans, as Mohun Bagan..", that will clarify about Kolkata derby and also no need to mention all those that I added for the importance of Kolkata for football in India and fans reaction of derbies. Dey subrata (talk) 00:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

or "... of the national team expressed their desire to see a "full house" of fans" to " of the national team expressed their desire to see a "full house" of fans as witnessed during Kolkata Derbies". Dey subrata (talk) 00:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Blue Pilgrims/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk · contribs) 18:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I will review this soon. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 18:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Article

• Add a short description. Using this format {{short description|HERE}}.

short description is still missing. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 13:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

• Fix Dash's per Wikipedia:Manual of Style
• Why is the external link empty?

References

• Begun with some 300 fans,[14][13] the → [13] [14]
• After Sunil Chhetri’s plea, tickets for India game sold out → After Sunil Chhetri's plea, tickets for India game sold out
• London, 1948: India’s first Olympics as an independent nation → London, 1948: India's first Olympics as an independent nation
• Archive all the sources.

You can use this tool here to archive refs. Make sure to click on Add archives to all non-dead references (Optional). ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 13:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

• India win Nehru Cup for the thrd time. Ref is not working.
• publisher=The Hindu → work=The Hindu. For all of the refs.
• In references wiki link the publishers.

Ref format

• "World Cup 2018: Sorry, Bengalis. You are not India's greatest football fans". Ref number 2 should have the author and published date.
• "World Cup 2018: Sorry, Bengalis. You are not India's greatest football fans". Ref number 2. Format the publisher it says "Daily O"

Ref Parameters

These references mention below should have the author, published date and correctly formated the publisher's name.

• Fifa World Cup 2018: Which Indian state watches football extravaganza the most?
• Bend it like Bengal: Every four years, the cup comes home
• Kolkata reinstated as the 'Mecca of Indian football
• India win Nehru Cup for the thrd time. Also third is spelled wrong.
• About Us-Introduction to BluePilgrims
• Blue Tigers find support in Blue Pilgrims
• Blue Pilgrims right behind Men in Blues
• List of Blue Pilgrims chants (with lyrics) Part 1 + part 2
• Blue Pilgrims, the 12th man of Indian football
• Intercontinental Cup 2018: 5 Things India gained from the Intercontinental Cup
• Watch: Sunil Chhetri leads incredible Viking clap with Indian fans post Thailand AFC Asian Cup win
• Sunil Chhetri's plea to Indian fans marked as Golden Tweet by Twitter India
• Chhetri called and the Indian football fans answered
• After Sunil Chhetri’s plea, tickets for India game sold out
• Blue Pilgrims plans 3D tifo display for Chhetri and co.

There are too many in the article I suggest modifying each of them.

• The references format is too inconsistent.

• goal.com → Goal
• bluepilgrims.com. → Blue Pilgrims
• sportskeeda.com → Sportskeeda
• stats.the-afc.com → AFC
• redbull.com → Red Bull
• indian-football |website=goal.com |website=goal.com → Remove one website.

Result

 On hold I will take look at the article after these comments have been fixed. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 17:54, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: Fixed. You can have check. But I didn't get which dash is not correct. if you please do it for me. Dey subrata (talk) 01:27, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

@Dey subrata: please see the comments that I have left above. Thanks. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 13:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA:redbull.com, bluepilgrims.com, goal.com are website based media, and should be kept as website and stats.the-afc.com is their statistical site should not be confused with the-afc.com, so website to be used and work as AFC. So there is no issues of inconsistency with same site concerned. Dey subrata (talk) 13:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Incase of Blue Pilgrims, I'm removing the work=Blue Pilgrim as that become redundant afetr bluepilgrims.com Dey subrata (talk) 13:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Dey subrata, redbull.com is part of Red Bull? ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 13:58, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: I don't get your question... Dey subrata (talk) 14:20, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Are you asking if its Redbull's website?? then answer is yes. Or are you asking something else..! Dey subrata (talk) 14:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Dey subrata, redbull.com is part of Red Bull. Its official name is "Red Bull" so we must include its official name. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 12:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: Yes it is but its not a publisher, its website of Red Bull. Anyway including in work, removing website. Dey subrata (talk) 13:46, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Dey subrata, please fix the rest of the issues mentioned above. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 12:33, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: All fixed. Added short descrp. and remaining archivng will be done by Gog the Mild, but not a necesssary for GA promotion. Dey subrata (talk) 19:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Promoted. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 09:14, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Archiving more references

Gog the Mild Need archiving for recent addition. Dey subrata (talk) 00:20, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Gog the Mild Need few archiving. Dey subrata (talk) 19:32, 14 December 2019 (UTC)