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Hey all, I'm the WikiProject Cities assessor of this article. If feedback is what you want and need, come to my talk page and give me a holler! --Starstriker7(Dime algoor see my works) 19:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Merger with Branford Hill

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I am proposing that the article noted above be nerged with Branford, Connecticut. Discuss it here.

I second the merge.

me threeGzuckier 18:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Merger with Indian Neck (Branford)

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The other page has no information, other than an unsourced reference to the Quinnipiack Indians, that is not on this page. --InkQuill 18:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've redirected that page to the Branford article since it doesn't really have verified content not already here. --Polaron | Talk 02:24, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gravymaster

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How can you guys forget that Gravy master is based in branford ct!!111

I see that Gravy Master, a company, does indeed give its contact address as being based in Branford, CT. Not sure if it is important to mention in this article or not. doncram (talk) 01:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

unsourced assertions about notable persons

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I removed the following items from a "Notable persons" section in the article, as no support of Branford association is provided for any of them. In this and other Connecticut town/village/neighborhood articles, there has been edit warring that is unfair to new editors, where experienced editors who seem to "own" articles are removing new, unsourced additions, while keeping the old, unsourced items that they added or that they believe in for whatever reasons. This is all rubbish. No info without sources establishing a substantial connection should be allowed.

Please don't readd to the article if a reliable source (online or offline) is not included.

--doncram 13:54, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just because another wikipedia article mentions Branford does not mean there is a source in that other article adequately supporting an assertion here. The source needs to be here. Also, what is the Branford association, is it important? For example, for Bob Barthelson, baseball player, I can find an online reference that he died in Branford, i.e.[1]. So what? I don't see that is relevant in the Branford article. There are more sources showing the person was born elsewhere, in New Haven, so is the person to be listed there too? I think it is best to remove, unless there is documentation of importance to Branford.
Others i removed are:
article had claim of his living in Branford, which i removed as unsupported and personal and not relevant in the article. --doncram 03:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
whose MLB profile mentions having grown up in Branford, but showing more association with West Haven, Connecticut, where he went to private high school and later received an honorary degree. Without documentation of importance to Branford, I think this person is best dropped from here, although maybe added to West Haven, Connecticut. --doncram 03:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Assertion of being born in Branford not supported, now tagged as "citation needed" by me, in its article. Person seems mainly associated with Israel. --doncram 17:24, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not supported by any source available to me; i tagged the Branford assertion as "citation needed" in that article. --doncram 08:54, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps this link would work? [2] --Starstriker7(Talk) 05:15, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So what about there being a hospital to be born in, in Branford. Not significant enough association with the town to be listed here, IMO. --do
Source [3] documents McGowan being born in Branford, dying in Hamden, buried in West Haven. Not significant enough association to be listed in any one of the corresponding articles, without more evidence about association, such as it being embraced by one of these towns, IMO. --doncram 17:24, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently born in Branford, but was moved away as a child to NY then to New Haven CT where went to school. Seems to have non-significant association with Branford. --doncram 08:54, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ollie Sax, MLB baseball player, was born in Branford in 1904.
So what about being born in Branford. Not enough. --doncram 03:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Supported by this 2010 reference, a sympathetic article. I guess this is okay, it is not a violation of privacy since the Branford location is disclosed in that article, and it seems to be an assertion of his association with the town. --doncram 09:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I notice that editor Orlady commented in an edit summary that she was removing one entry for a person whose association was having died at a hospice in Branford; that appears to have been Barbara Albright, author and knitting authority. I agree with that removal. --doncram 03:31, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Considering the dearth of references in the entire article, the selective removal of one section that is a list supported by other Wikipedia articles is hard to defend. If you don't like the town, why not delete the whole article? (I restored the section, which is now flagged as unsourced.) --Orlady (talk) 02:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't want for there to be selective removal, and don't see an application of anything selective here. I am removing all the unsourced-in-this-article items, and also all the items where a person's association with Branford is inconsequential.
This section is a problem for Wikipedia as it attracts new editors' additions and leads to negative experiences when one or a few editors enforce unstated and pretty invalid standards of their own. I believe it provides a better experience to have only good, sourced, relevant info, and it is important to stop the entrapment and bad treatment of non-regular editors here.
It is in fact permissible and encouraged in Wikipedia to challenge unsourced materials, and to remove such material. Which I do. And, based on the content of sources where I have found them, i challenge the relevance of all the other items where Branford is only peripherally associated with a person. Which i do, by commenting about them above. If someone can find reliable sources showing significant association, by all means share.
Having reviewed all the items now, I will remove the display of all unsourced or inadequately related persons from the article now (which means I will remove all but Thomas Steitz from display now). I'll leave a comment explaining why the other specific persons should not be readded, pointing to this discussion. Orlady and others, please do participate in discussion here about specific possible changes. I do not claim to be an expert on persons associated with Branford; I am just trying to exercise some sensible judgment here. Others could differ. Please do discuss specific cases. Thanks. --doncram 09:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Dealing with lists of notable people from any town is not something I focus on much as a Wikipedian. I only make a handful of edits each day as it is. However, as both a WikiProject Connecticut member and practitioner of common sense, I agree with Doncram's arguments that lists of notable natives ought to be suitably sourced. Double standards must not come into play amongst editors: An unsourced item is an unsourced item whether added last week or last year. In fact, it could even be argued that it is the unsourced older items which should be expunged with greater ferocity, as there has been more than a reasonable amount of time for these items to be properly sourced.
While I have not checked many of its references, the notable residents section on Milford's article is extensive, listing 25 individuals, some of which are from the Colonial era or are otherwise long-dead. All but one individual is cited to a source (albeit several use IMDb). All in all, however, it's a day and night difference from Branford's section, and probably the way other notable natives sections should be treated. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 07:45, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While working on previous city articles, the way I dealt with the problem was to dismantle the Notable Residents section and place the most vital ones in relevant sections of the article. In that way, it both bolsters the existing sections and removes the foothold that people take in adding potentially non-notable people to the article. --Starstriker7(Talk) 05:15, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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