Talk:Brian Harvey

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Ambiguous disambiguation

~~So there is a "Brian Harvey (musician)" article, to differentiate from the "Brian Harvey" article, which is about...a musician?~~

~~Someone with more familiarity with one or both of the Harveys, please rectify this situation, or if nobody else does I will later. GT 02:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)~~ Never mind, I just realized their names are spelled differently. My bad. GT 12:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How about Brian Harvey "the MIT Hacker" (that's how you can find him on Google)? I'm doing a report on famous hackers, and his name came up several times, but unfortunately Wikipedia doesn't have a page on him. Homepage for Brian Harvey

66.162.150.110 (talk) 05:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

"after eating three jacket potatoes (with tuna and cheese"

No way.

I'd sign, but I can't find the tilde key.

Not vandalism

Way. http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=358451&in_page_id=1773 and http://www.timeout.com/london/music/features/1282/Brian_Harvey-It_happened_here.html

PS: There's a link that inserts 4 tildes/sig at the end of one's edit. It's (about - depending on one's monitor settings - YMMV) 2 lines below the "Save page" button. I have short pinkies so I usually use the link.

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Fred 17:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Severe wiki nazi behaviour going on with the editing here. Harvey has confessed not to have attempted suicide, but a tragic if amusing accident is highlighted on very credible sources above. The Mail and Time Out. 87.194.130.11 (talk) 01:27, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge individual songs into this article

Individual songs (e.g., I Can (Brian Harvey song)) seem to lack enough notability (or enough information) to require separate articles. I suggest merging them into the artist. Hult041956 22:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More vandalism?

Someone seems to have a potato fetish - the information about his driving ban is clearly compromised, but how much of the rest is true?

Alphonsus (talk) 17:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a shame that the potato vandalism of the past is preventing legitimate edits to do with the potato accident.

--81.100.113.171 (talk) 01:47, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

From WP:BLP: "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist". While some publications may find such detail of interest, that does not make it suitable for an encyclopedia. "Harvey blames the incident on eating three jacket potatoes with tuna and cheese" reads like it came from a tabloid, and would leave the reader mystified as to what this would have to do with a car accident. The Daily Mail is itself a tabloid and not a suitable source for this. Even if there is a suitable source out there the existing detail is quite sufficient. January (talk) 11:22, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not sensationalist, it's an interesting quirk - and actually, something that Harvey is famous for. This widely acknowledged fact needs to go in the article - so instead of repeatedly removing it, let's work on a way in which it can be present in the article within the required criteria & rules. --81.100.113.171 (talk) 13:41, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As with the Telegraph, the BBC source does not cite the "tuna and cheese" part, I have removed it as it is not properly sourced. I am also requesting outside input. January (talk) 14:46, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as I was saying - work together here - if the tuna and cheese bit is the offending part, why not just remove that, instead of removing the whole part? Unless your aim is to remove this altogether, rather than correct the article? Seems to be the logical step - so I have made this edit. --81.100.113.171 (talk) 18:38, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As I said earlier, I oppose the inclusion of this altogether, I consider it sensationalist and has no place in a BLP. Please can we continue the discussion below so that we can get input from other editors. January (talk) 07:50, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment

This straightforward RfC concerns a bizarre claim by, or allegedly by, Mr Harvey which is reported only in the Daily Mail, a source which editors generally agree is unreliable.^[1]^[2] The consensus is to omit the claim, and I hope editors will go on to consider removing the Daily Mail as a source from this biography of a living person.—S Marshall T/C 22:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Disagreement over whether details of what Harvey ate shortly before an accident should be included. The contested addition is "Harvey blames the incident on eating three jacket potatoes with tuna and cheese", sourced to the Daily Mail. January (talk) 14:46, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Omit. I'm a bit puzzled as to why we've mentioned the potato thing. It does not seem apropos of anything in particular. At best, it seems undue to report on his lunch. However, one could mention that he says it was not a suicide attempt, as that seems to be a part of the BBC article. I'm not sure, but I think the potato-eating incident is supposed to be a quirky way of stating this. I'm not very fond of quirkiness in Wikipedia articles. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:19, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Omit Are there multiple RS reporting this? Even if so, I don't think inclusion is necessary. What he had for lunch before the incident is not in any way notable and as NinjaRobotPirate stated, I'm not very fond of its "quirkiness in Wikipedia articles" either. Meatsgains (talk) 04:19, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Include. Summoned here by RfC bot. How can we possibly exclude this? Since this is a BLP, and the subject engaged in what appears to be a suicide attempt, I think that we are obliged to report his account of the incident, no matter how bizarre we may think it is. Just a sentence will suffice. Coretheapple (talk) 18:33, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The disputed addition was the details of what he ate. If Harvey's account was to be summarised in this article, then the most it would need in relation to this is that he said he was nauseous after overeating, what he actually ate may have made the story more quirky for the media but it is unnecessary to an encyclopaedia. January (talk) 19:12, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you mean by "quirky for the media," and I don't understand what is wrong with the brief addition that is proposed here. That's what he said. It's not our place to judge. What bothers me is that it seems that he's denying that he tried suicide, and if that is so we must give his side of the story. Saying that someone is suicidal or has attempted suicide is defamatory if it is denied. Coretheapple (talk) 19:20, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The proposed addition is not at all a representative summary of Harvey's account of the incident, it has picked out one detail (what he ate) which is not significant and the overall paragraph would not even make sense to the general reader, who would be left wondering how eating potatoes would have caused a car accident. The alleged suicide attempt mentioned earlier in the paragraph is not related to this incident. January (talk) 21:44, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, then I'm confused as to what this material relates to. If it's just an extraneous detail on some auto accident he was involved in, then it certainly doesn't belong. Coretheapple (talk) 21:56, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He has quite clearly stated, on several occasions that the overeating of potatoes was the cause of the accident. --85.95.127.234 (talk) 11:39, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

January is misleading you here - it is a representative summary of his account - he says that the overeating caused him to feel sick, which caused him to open the door, which directly caused the accident. This is a deliberate misleading as January has previously said he/she doesn't want this fact included. --81.100.113.171 (talk) 21:35, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What you have just given above is a representative summary of his account - you have summarised it without needing to include the details of what foods he was eating. The proposed addition was not a representative summary because it just stated what foods he was eating and did not even attempt to give any explanation of how this supposedly caused the accident. As you say above, overeating caused him to feel sick - it was that he overate, not what specific foods he was eating, that caused him to feel nauseous. January (talk) 15:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

exclude specifics of what the meal was (ie " meal of three giant baked potatoes smothered in tuna mayonnaise and cheese.") but include generic food sickness, and the car rolled over him while puking. Otherwise right next to discussion about the suicide attempt it could be read as another failed suicide attempt which would be a WP:BLP violation to imply. Gaijin42 (talk) 00:14, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Exclude Lol, no. That is trivial in the extreme.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 00:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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1995 drug/radio scandal?

Someone should mention this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.187.21.37 (talk) 16:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Even more potato related vandalism.

Removed the claim about Harvey eating "1 imperial tonne" (sic) of baked potatoes. Any more of this and we may have to semi-protect the page. --SolomonTrim (talk) 17:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We need a disambiguation page here

Who is this British dude? We need a disambiguation page here, because Brian Harvey is also the name of a famous computer programmer who is now a lecturer at UC Berkeley. --Coolcaesar (talk) 09:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's a Wikipedia article handily accessible right near this discussion that will tell you who "this British dude" is. You could always read it? 217.113.170.97 (talk) 17:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Child abuse business

Apparently in January he was doing his own 'investigation' into child abuse: http://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyashton/east-17s-brian-harvey-is-carrying-out-his-own-inquiry-into-c MP Simon Danczuk is the one who came up with this info, acc. to BuzzFeed. And before this in October 2014 he supposedly was at Downing Street demanding to see the PM: http://www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/brian-harvey-just-demanded-to-see-the-pm 82.14.34.119 (talk) 17:19, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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