Talk:Brooklyn Dodgers 1, Boston Braves 1 (26 innings)

ERA stat

Why, if they both pitched 26 innings and allowed only one run, is Cadore's ERA .87 and Oeschger's .49? Also, how, if they are the only pitchers of record, is the "Team Stats" ERA different than their ERA? Cadore's is .87 and Oeschger's is .49 yet both the teams is somehow .35? Vyselink (talk) 11:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't know. We took the figures uncritically from the source. I understood them to be season-to-date stats, but I didn't dig through the source to look at previous games. Wehwalt (talk) 13:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

How is a sports game from more than 100 years ago even notable?! 88.152.9.188 (talk) 19:27, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

The relevant guideline is WP:SPORTSEVENT which says, "Regular season games in professional and college leagues are not presumed notable. To be notable, games should be extraordinary and have a lasting impact on the sport; news coverage should be extensive (e.g., outside of the week of its occurrence and in non-local newspapers).

Some games or series are likely or almost certain to be considered notable, including but not limited to the following: [...]

• A game that is widely considered by independent reliable sources to be notable, outside routine coverage of each game, especially if the game received front page coverage outside of the local areas involved (e.g., The Malice at the Palace, 2009 Republic of Ireland v France football matches, or the Blood in the Water match)"

This game received a great deal of coverage at the time, and continued to do so in subsequent years. This is attested to in the sources. A 26 inning MLB game is unique, and it has been written about time and again. Wehwalt (talk) 21:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 4 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 10:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

---

Brooklyn Dodgers 1, Boston Braves 1 (26 innings) → Brooklyn Dodgers–Boston Braves 26-inning tie – This seems like a weird way to name an article. Typically, a game without a nickname (like "Merkle's Boner") gets a name that lists the year, the teams, and/or the oddity. The score is rarely mentioned. I could see a number of names for this, like "1920 26-inning tie" or even just "26-inning tie game". Mike Selinker (talk) 05:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Following up: I see there is also Philadelphia Athletics 18, Cleveland Indians 17 (1932). That seems a far more interesting reason to use the specific score, because 35 runs! The 1–1 score of the nominated game is a little less compelling in a game from the 1920s, when there were many ties. Mike Selinker (talk) 05:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

There's some discussion of the name at the FAC. I would be OK with the Brooklyn Dodgers–Boston Braves 26-inning tie name, and I think the names of both teams should remain in there to stress this was the major league 26 inning tie. There have been longer games in the minor leagues and in amateur baseball.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:42, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support-Oppose (tie), the proposed name seems a better and adequate descriptor, although the present name gives more detail and is a feature article title. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Baseball has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

• How about Longest Major League Baseball game to mirror Longest professional baseball game? -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:53, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  I really don't like the title of "Longest professional baseball game". This is the longest MLB one in terms of innings, but there are many, many that are longer in terms of time. Wehwalt (talk) 17:14, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  That's fair. Longest Major League Baseball game by innings then? Failing that, something like Cadore–Oeschger 26-inning tie game would concisely convey what I feel are the three most noteworthy pieces of information about the game: the pitchers' performances, the length, and the fact that it was a tie. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:06, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

  That sounds more like a useful redirect, but it is certainly a more likely search term than the score. Other thoughts? Wehwalt (talk) 20:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

The suggested name is, to quote King Julian, “like poison to my eye-stomachs”. But the current name is not so great either. So I suggest moving it to the shortest descriptive title possible, maybe “Dodgers-Braves 26 innings tie” or “1920 26-innings tie”?. Dronebogus (talk) 02:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I support the principle of this suggestion per WP:PRECISE; arguably the most notable detail about this game is the number of innings. Since there's been no other 26-inning baseball game in Major League history, I'd like to offer the simple and concise "26-inning Major League Baseball game". In any case, I'd support any move that removes the score from the title, as that isn't a needed detail here. — AFC Vixen 🦊 10:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I think the name as it is works, or the option with the date at the end works for the sake of standardization. The length of the game was more important than the fact that it ended in a tie. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 20:38, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose; the name as isn't perfect but it is descriptive as @Randy Kryn noted. It tells the teams (as they were called at the time - "Dodgers-Braves" alone can be misleading), the score (also notable because the same pitchers completed the whole game without surrendering another run), and the innings (the most important detail). Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:40, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose; The name as it is works and is a featured article name. Also, because the Dodgers are no longer in Brooklyn, and the Braves are no longer in Boston, you need the full name of the teams in order to avoid confusion with modern day LA/Atlanta Vyselink (talk) 22:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The title of this page should be moved to reflect the Dodgers' correct name, Robins, not Dodgers, during the 1920 season.

I tried to move this page from "Brooklyn Dodgers 1, Boston Braves 1 (26 innings)" to "Brooklyn Robins 1, Boston Braves 1 (26 innings)," but I was informed that this couldn't be completed due it being a featured page. It was suggested that I raise this issue in the talk page for this article. In 1920, the Brooklyn baseball team was officially called the Robins. During the 1920 World Series, the team issued a program referring to them as the "Dodgers," but this was more of an affectionate nickname. Throughout the season, though, they were referred to as the Robins. In fact, in the sources used for the article, the team is referred to as the Robins, and the reputable source of information for this topic use the name Robins: Baseball Almanac and Baseball Reference. The Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) noted this in their write-up on the game: "Histories written later make it appear that the name Brooklyn Robins was universal. It was not. In contemporary game accounts, the hometown Brooklyn Eagle called them the Superbas. The New York Times, Robins. The Boston Globe and the New York Tribune, Dodgers. The Sporting News used Dodgers in the headline, but the story, by the Brooklyn Eagle writer Thomas S. Rice, called them Superbas. “Dodgers” is used here because it is the most familiar." So, even they are noting that Dodgers was only used due to familiarity. And, it wasn't as if the team name was changed shortly thereafter. It wasn't until 1932 that they officially became the Dodgers. Jmg999 (talk) 20:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't agree. First, WP:COMMONNAME dictates that in dubious cases, we should go with the more familiar name. Our guideline and the SABR source are in accord here, because our guideline says "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's official name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources) ..." Baseball Research and Baseball Almanac are written for a more specialist and frankly erudite (in a baseball sense) audience than we cater to. People searching for this article may have no idea some people called them the Robins at the time. So, the majority of reliable independent English sources? A newspapers.com search for 1920 finds 6,388 references here for "Brooklyn Dodgers" and only 1,459 here for "Brooklyn Robins". So the evidence is that it wasn't that well-adopted at the time. The papers called them the Dodgers, and so should we. Third, you are mistaken, Brooklyn had no official name, and as noted above, if it was official it wouldn't matter. As our article Brooklyn Dodgers points out, the official name of the team was the Brooklyn National League Base Ball Club. Also: That wasn't what I said, by the way, I said that you should get consensus for a move before moving a WP:Featured Article Wehwalt (talk) 20:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Agree with Wehwalt. His reasonings are correct. Vyselink (talk) 01:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)