Talk:Brown on Resolution

recent edits

I've rewritten the introduction to focus more on the point of the story: I've also added to the plot summary, as the first half of the book was missing. Also, I've corrected the bit about Zeithen's mission; Forester never had her take part in the two battles as described here. I hope that is OK with everyone.Swanny18 (talk) 15:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

(moved from user:talk page. Swanny18 (talk) 16:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC))

Hi! I'm a little bit concerned about this series of edits of yours. [1]. The opening section now refers to a "cruiser", without previously mentiioning one. Also, your claim that the German cruiser squadron attempted to return to Germany after the outbreak of war is simply wrong - von Spee himself said "I cannot get home" - I can dig out a reference if you want one. I don't mean to put you off, but I'm not sure you've improved the article much. Philip Trueman (talk) 16:23, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

“the cruiser...”: I see what you mean about the intro; I’ve added an explanation. My purpose here and elsewhere was to shift the emphasis to the contents of the book, rather than the activities of von Spee’s squadron, which are fairly tangential to the story itself.

But “my claim...”? The sentence “The larger vessels of the squadron set out to return to Europe.” was in the original text; I haven’t changed it. It seemed accurate enough for a thumbnail sketch of what happened, particularly as (like I said) the book isn’t about vS at all. That’s also why I moved the historical section down from the top. But there's a main article link, if anyone wants the full story.

And “not sure it’s an improvement..”: Well the article was plain wrong about a number of points, as well as missing out half the story, so I’d like to think it’s a bit better. But I'm endeavouring to stay open to suggestions Swanny18 (talk) 16:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

"The German cruiser Ziethen described in the novel does not match any real German warship. She seems to more resemble the Austrian cruiser Kaiserin Elizabeth, which was deployed extensively in the Pacific in the years leading up to WWI. She is a quite good match for the German cruiser "Kaiserin Augusta" which had extensive service in the far east and pacific stations."-I have deleted this part, which was all my own work anyway. I'm now quite convinced that "Ziethen" was either an alias for "Kaiserin Augusta" or else CS Forester being imaginative.

Title

This:
"The title of the book is a pun. It is common in the Law profession to name any "textbook" by the name of the author followed by "on" and the subject, e.g. "Winfield & Jolowicz on Tort". Hence, "Brown on Resolution", is a "textbook" on the subject of "Resolution" as displayed / exemplified / instructed by said "Brown"."Resolution" is defined as "the mental state or quality of being resolved or resolute; firmness of purpose"."
was added in December 2009, and tagged for Original research in January 2010. It's an interesting observation, but (unless anyone has a source that describes the book in this manner) it is OR, so I've taken it out. Swanny18 (talk) 17:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I see the "Title" section has been replaced, without any attempt to address the OR issue.

I have replaced the OR tag;

If this bit is to survive, it requires a citation to support the assertion that Forester intended the title to be a pun, or failing that, one from a recognized critic making the same inference. Swanny18 (talk) 19:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

There's been no improvement here; the OR is as bad as before. I've deleted it. Swanny18 (talk) 17:54, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I've just deleted a sentence from the lead which contained that bit of WP:OR. Pure speculation, IMO. Narky Blert (talk) 18:46, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Saville-Samarez

Has anyone got a copy of the novel? My immediate reaction was that there might be a typo here for "Saumarez", as in e.g. James Saumarez, 1st Baron de Saumarez. Narky Blert (talk) 18:46, 30 March 2017 (UTC)