Talk:Bruce B. Benson

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Notability?

Hey, User:Biografer, the current version of this new article pretty clearly does not meet the wp:PROF standards (Wikipedia:Notability (academics)). I don't think it helps Wikipedia for you to have created this. Do you have more about him? I arrive here because I was given notification of a different recent article creation by Biografer, then I browsed their contributions. Biografer, perhaps you should slow down and try to develop fewer articles, better? I probably will not follow your contributions further, myself, but my guess is that you will suffer from criticism in future article deletion processes if you do not. Hope you don't mind this comment. --Doncram (talk) 06:34, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Doncram: I have updated the article as of October 2, 2019. I wrote a short draft on him and published it as is because I was about to go to bed at that time. He might not meet WP:PROF but he does meet our WP:GNG criteria. I don't write articles based on obituaries from The New York Times (although it might seem like it is) nor am I affiliated with them or Mr. Benson himself. I doubt that article that have New York Times, a highly respected source by Wikipedia community btw, will be nominated for deletion. :)--Biografer (talk) 19:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Biografer:, thank you for your reply. I revisited the article and made a minor edit or two. Actually I think it is still weak, and does not clearly meet GNG in my humble opinion. Short new articles need to assert significance (though that is not part of general notability standard, the lack of such assertion is apparently a valid reason for "speedy deletion"). It's not clear to me what is significant about him. Don't get me wrong, I am generally an "inclusionist" and usually fight to "Keep" articles in wp:AFD processes (see my record in wp:AFDSTATS. But here someone could argue that yes there is coverage but it is routine, expected. I like the New York Times as a source in general, but that is not sufficient protection. Again i am not going to follow you around and call for deletion of your new articles, but someone else may choose to do that, unfortunately.

One thought: I wonder if the New York Times obituary asserts importance a bit more than you do, and if the article could be beefed up a bit.

A word of advice: you don't want to become target for bullying deletionist types, and making your articles more complete before you put them into mainspace will perhaps/probably save you from some grief. An incomplete draft left in place overnight will tend to attract attention you don't want to receive, which may transfer to your other articles too. I had my own unhappy experiences in Wikipedia creating short articles a long time ago, which is somewhat reflected in my comments about bullying on my userpage. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I am not sure if/how I could help you much now, but I would be open to trying to help you more. Anyhow, I wish you luck. cheers, --Doncram (talk) 22:34, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Like your statement that he studied "thermodynamics of the solubilities of gases" sounds lame to me. You, me, everyone who was ever a student, studied stuff. I studied Einstein's special relativity, and Maxwell's equations about electricity and magnetism, once upon a time, as a student. What did he accomplish, though? Probably he discovered stuff and published research that advanced human knowledge, I hope. Me, i went into other things. :) --Doncram (talk) 22:47, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]