Talk:Canting arms
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incomplete cants
[edit]It should be mentioned (but I don't know where to put it) that a canting coat often furnishes only the first syllable of the name, e.g. trumpets for Trumpington, a red hat (sign of a cardinal) for Karstedt. —Tamfang (talk) 07:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
- None of the examples given in this article support that claim. -- Atamachat 01:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
- When I do get around to finding examples, where should I put them? —Tamfang (talk) 02:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
- I think you could find loads of examples, but i wonder if it such a big deal to list many examples. Just thinking of English and German surnames, the suffixes only deal with kinda mundane things that wouldn't be alluded to in a coat of arms. Names ending with s and son meaning "son of". And names ending with ton meaning "town", or names ending with tun meaning "house"/"town". Names ending with by meaning "farm" or "settlement". The example you gave Karstedt has the suffix stedt which i'd guess means "stead" as in "homestead"/"house" or "site" (atleast i bet it is a location of some sort). Since so many English names end with very similar suffixes it wouldn't be very likely anyone would make a pun out of that part of their name. What do you think?--Celtus (talk) 04:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, that's a common pattern: later syllables are generic, and only the first is canted. Canting arms are to be distinguished from rebus-badges, which generally do include even the generic syllables. —Tamfang (talk) 07:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
- I think you could find loads of examples, but i wonder if it such a big deal to list many examples. Just thinking of English and German surnames, the suffixes only deal with kinda mundane things that wouldn't be alluded to in a coat of arms. Names ending with s and son meaning "son of". And names ending with ton meaning "town", or names ending with tun meaning "house"/"town". Names ending with by meaning "farm" or "settlement". The example you gave Karstedt has the suffix stedt which i'd guess means "stead" as in "homestead"/"house" or "site" (atleast i bet it is a location of some sort). Since so many English names end with very similar suffixes it wouldn't be very likely anyone would make a pun out of that part of their name. What do you think?--Celtus (talk) 04:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
- When I do get around to finding examples, where should I put them? —Tamfang (talk) 02:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
one of my favorites
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... -- AnonMoos (talk) 13:58, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
most of the examples shown are not actually canting arms.
Come on, it's not "canting" if your family name is Vogt, and you choose a coat of arms that displays a Vogt.
Or if your town is called "apple tree", because it has lots of apple trees, and your coat of arms then shows... an apple tree.
Much less if you are called Rosenberg because of the coat of arms which showed a rose.
I am not even sure the "Eberbach" one is "canting", showing, as it does, a boar and a brook for a toponym that actually means "the brook of the boar" (the town being named for the 12th century castle, and the castle clearly after some brook which at the time must have been frequented by boars). This is completely different from the "bees thrice = Beatrice" kind of thing.
I am going to take the liberty of removing all dubious examples. --dab (𒁳) 12:13, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Why the dictionary definition?
[edit]The extended derivation of cant in the first paragraph is a distraction that seems out of place and unexplained. I suggest moving it to the footnote. Thoughts? jxm (talk) 16:11, 27 November 2014 (UTC)