Talk:Care (Law & Order: UK)

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 7, 2009.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that "Care", the first episode of Law & Order: UK, is a remake of an original Law & Order episode from 1992?

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On 3 June 2023 at 16:25 UTC, I—among other changes—added a {{short description}} to this article that said, First episode of Law & Order: UK. Eighty-six minutes later, Gonnym (talk · contribs) removed the template and said infobox handles description. This is, of course, true. However, {{infobox television episode}} clearly says, If the automatic short description is not optimal, replace it by adding {{Short description}} at the top of the article. Furthermore, one of the purposes of that short description is to provide a very brief indication of the field covered by the article. That's why the {{short description}} template was added in the first place, because the automatic short description is less optimal. When I replaced the template 103 minutes later, I tried to point other editors to those pages and their explanations by saying, Undid […] IAW template:infobox television episode & WP:SDESC. Instead, Gonnym didn't read those links and returned four minutes later repeating their first note, phrasing it this time as, Undid […] please note that the infobox automatically handles this. There is no reason to manually do this. I hope this thorough explanation about the templates' pages is sufficiently understandable, and serves as the edit summary for my impending third placement of the short-description template. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 20:38, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I understood why you did it, I however, disagree that the default short description which works on over 10k pages isn't good enough here and that yours was an improvment over it. Gonnym (talk) 05:50, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One of the explicit purposes of short descriptions is to be a very brief indication, and formatting instructions dictate them to be short – no longer than is needed to fulfill its functions effectively. Please point to which of the following descriptions more-optimally meets those criteria:

First episode of Law & Order: UK
1st episode of the 1st season of Law & Order: UK

Given that consensus at the short-descriptions page itself highly-prioritizes concision, and the two options are communicating the exact same information, I think I can determine which one is objectively not optimal. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 15:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A week later with no further discussion, I'm going to replace the manual {{short description}}. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 16:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I cited the instructions for both the short descriptions and the episode infobox templates in the explanation above. It was not disputed nor questioned in the week after I posted, and so, as I said, I replaced the manual template, saying in part, + replacement of manual {{short description}} IAW discussion at talk on 11 June 2023 at 16:14 UTC. It only took Gonnym 23.67 hours to notice the change before they reverted, saying only Remove manual replacement. Again. They provided no indication or explanation for their contravention of the consensuses I cited above, nor have they participated in this discussion beyond one unelaborated proclamation of I however, disagree. I don't want to encourage another user's edit war, but if they don't read the pages & discussions linked, and don't participate being effectively just saying 'no', I'm stumped on how not to. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 16:43, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]