Talk:Carol Wilson (footballer)

A fact from Carol Wilson (footballer) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 November 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Carol Wilson had to pretend that she was a schoolteacher when unofficially representing England at the 1971 Women's World Cup?

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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 02:27, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Carol Wilson unofficially became England's youngest football captain because another player lost a finger?~~
- ALT1: ... that Carol Wilson had to pretend she was a schoolteacher when unofficially representing England in the 1971 Women's World Cup?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/McGuinn, Clark & Hillman
- Comment: I think both these hook facts are in a half-hour podcast; I can listen again and provide timestamps if necessary

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 20:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Comment @Kingsif: just reminding you but you need a citation for those hooks. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:43, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused by this comment; the sentences in the article containing the hook facts each have at least one ref directly at the end of the sentence. Kingsif (talk) 21:24, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing... LordPeter2go (talk) 09:03, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - not quite?
Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Okay so there's a very minor issue here, and technically it's not in the hook, but the article: The source claims that Jean Elliott lost a finger ("But, our local hero, Jean, who even lost a finger playing football [...]"), but she was a defender, not a goalkeeper: "Jean, who played in midfield for her Chiltern Valley Ladies team, but at left back for the Lionesses". The Wikipedia article states She has said she thinks he did this after their goalkeeper, another player from the RAF, lost a finger during practice. I indeed didn't listen to the entire podcast, so maybe it's cleared up there. If you could check that, it'd be great. No other issues, will approve once solved. –LordPeterII (talk) 20:35, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@LordPeterII: Since the hook doesn't mention a position, how about we just remove the position from the article, too? Kingsif (talk) 00:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif: Yep remove it, the position isn't important after all; I was mainly worried that there might be a mix-up with players. But in the podcast Wilson also mentions that "Jean" was the one who lost her finger, so it's all correct. Or, mostly: She has said she thinks he did this after their goalkeeper is what the article and the podcast source say; but the hook ALT0 says "because". I think it would need to say "likely because" or sth, because it's only Wilson's impression that the events were correlated. Also, the wiki article doesn't seem to mention she was the "youngest football captain"? Even then, she was likely the youngest female captain. I think the original hook might still be adjusted to work (and it's a little more hooky imo, because yeah missing finger...); but if not, ALT1 is an alternative. –LordPeterII (talk) 15:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0a ... that Carol Wilson thinks she was made England's youngest football captain, unofficially, because another player lost a finger?

@LordPeterII: Amended the article in line with comments, also ALT0a. Kingsif (talk) 21:15, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif: Good, but let me adjust the hook slightly so it reads cleaner:

ALT0b ... that Carol Wilson unofficially became England's youngest female football captain, likely because another player lost a finger?

Approving since I don't believe ALT0b is different enough to require a second reviewer. ALT1 is also fine. –LordPeterII (talk) 15:41, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]