Talk:Chapter 16: The Rescue

Contradiction?

This episode seems to contradict Star Wars Rebels, Den of Geek notes: "Gideon says in order to be the rightful ruler, a Mandalorian has to win the Darksaber in combat, but Bo-Katan took it from Sabine Wren without fighting her" [1] I thought this too while watching the episode, maybe there is some difference that explains how the two situations are actually different? Maybe something about the circumstances of how Bo-Katan lost it to Gideon explains it? -- 109.78.193.22 (talk) 00:27, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Post credits scene

User:FarmersChen (talk) has reverted three times, see WP:3RR and WP:BRD. [2] [3] [4] [5] FarmersChen did not follow the WP:SIMPLE rules and give the courtesy of explaining his revert with an edit summary. In my edit summary I said "That's plot structure not actual plot." I believe it is important for the Plot section to stick to the plot and not break out of the in universe story unless it is absolutely necessary. FarmersChen in an edit summary said "look at MCU movies, common to have it" and I responded "You need a better reason than WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. WP:BRD Discuss on talk page." FarmersChen reverted again with no edit summary.

MCU movies are films, and WP:MOSFILM and specifically WP:FILMPLOT specifically says "Mid- and post-credit scenes should generally not be included in the plot summary."
The Mandalorian is a television program and MOS:TVPLOT says "Plot sections should summarize the core storyline(s)" and a mid credits sequence is not the main storyline, so again the rules seem to say we shouldn't' include it all.

I believe a plot section should stick to the just the plot, say what you see. I think it is poor writing style to break out of the story and include out of universe framing details or plot structure notes such as in a post credits sequence unless they are absolutely necessary. (Sometimes you have no choice but to say a flashback is a flashback.)

If FarmersChen wants to strictly follow the rule then we would need to remove the mid credit sequence entirely. -- 109.79.66.241 (talk) 00:14, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I asked him to discuss, I started a discussion, and added a note on his talk page but FarmersChen has reverted again without explanation.[6] -- 109.79.78.214 (talk) 19:15, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

As FarmersChen has continued to edit war over the post credit scene I feel it is necessary to remove post credit scene entirely. As I said already above MOS:TVPLOT states "Plot sections should summarize the core storyline" and the post credits scene is not "core storyline".

The Book of Boba Fett is mentioned in Production section. -- 109.76.214.105 (talk) 22:48, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

An editor claimed there was "no reason" not to include the post credits sequences. As already stated, there clearly is a reason.[7] If you want to ignore MOS:TVPLOT and include it anyway then say that, but don't claim there is "no reason". If there is a local consensus to include it then we can ignore the guidelines and include it but please get local consensus before ignoring the guidelines. -- 109.78.198.54 (talk) 18:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Can you explain why this isn't part of the core storylines? Have Fett and Fennec not been significant supporting characters this season? Also, the post credit scene has been included in the plot summary since the start, and you're the only editor to object to it. Per WP:STATUSQUO, it should remain until there is a consensus to remove it. Also, why film plot does say generally not to include post credit scenes, it also says "Exceptions are made for these scenes if they provide key relevant details for the film itself (the identity of the villain in Young Sherlock Holmes), are part of sourced discussion in the rest of the article (the reuse of the post-credit scene of Ferris Bueller's Day Off) or if the film is part of a franchise and the scene helps establish details for a known future film in production" JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 18:35, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

The reason we usually leave post-credit scenes out of the plot section is because they are often little jokes or something else that wouldn't be included in the summary if it happened before the credits. But that isn't the case here, if this scene was before the credits I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be having this discussion, so that tells me it should be kept. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:15, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

This edit[8] said "usually included" which again is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. If you want to ignore the rules then say just so, and then we can move along, Wikipedia already has WP:LOCALCONSENSUS as a giant excuse to ignore the rules and there's no need to make other excuses, but don't pretend the rules don't exist because they're inconvenient. (FarmersChen was being so belligerent about it and refused to follow BRD but has apparently been banned for other reasons.)

This is still not core storyline of this episode, the absolute minimum core plot is rescuing Grogu and the return of a Jedi. A better argument, is that is an important plot point to the season as a whole, but I think you're overreaching to claim it is core storyline. MOS:TVPLOT plot word count is very restrictive and I'd prefer to lose a credits scene than to omit any other details, but the plot section looks okay at the moment, although the big finale might benefit from a little more detailed description. Also you can mention details about spin-off The Book of Boba Fett elsewhere in the article, such as the production section.

At this stage there have been a few comments so there does seem to be WP:LOCALCONSENSUS to ignore MOS:TVPLOT and include the detail anyway, and I will go with the consensus. -- 109.79.165.50 (talk) 08:00, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

"Fett is a genetic clone of his father"

His "father" is his twin brother who is nonetheless older and raised him as a son. I would just say that Boba is a clone of Jango and avoid the term father. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:D42F:67D7:70A8:3986 (talk) 09:39, 28 September 2021 (UTC)