Talk:Colin Campbell (British Army officer, born 1776)

Assaye

Oughtn't there be mention that Campbell accompanied Wellesley during the Battle of Assaye? After all, Assaye was a major battle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.5.10.153 (talk) 09:50, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Citations

@user:Fillthemill Thank you for your expansion to this article. I have a some requests.

• If you change text that is already supported with in-line citations, and the information in the Wikipedia article follows the information in the citation, then please add a citation to the text for the change that you made. For example you changed "then commanded by his uncle," to "then commanded by his cousin," but you did not add a source for that change. I have checked in the ODNB and that too says commanded by his cousin (and so have reverted the change). You also added "and at Salamanca." without source to back it up which implies that the in-line citation source "Stephens 1886 pp. 350–351." supports that fact (it dos not -- so I have changed it back).
• If you add new in-line citations please follow the style that is already in use. In this case short citations to a long citation in the references section and the use or citation templates.
• If you add new citations please follow the requirements in WP:CITE in this case niether "MO Campbell, Memorial History of the Campbells, p23 or "Bob Burnham: The British Army Against Napoleon, p259" is enough to uniquely identify the books. As CITE says "Reference details should include the edition (if not the first edition) and the date/year published reported is the year that the particular edition became available". Ideally it should also include the location the publisher and the ISNB if it exists.

-- PBS (talk) 15:34, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your helpful comments. I have amended and enhanced the citations quoted, and added a couple of new ones. I note that you have not, in fact, altered the ref to Campbell's presence at Salamanca. As you say, this is not mentioned in the DNB, but is referred to in A Memorial History of the Campbells of Melfort, in Robert Burnham's The British Army Against Napoleon and is also inscribed on his tombstone in St James', Piccadilly. I note that the DNB calls the commander of the Breadalbane Fencibles Campbell's uncle. However, John Campbell, 1st Marquess of Breadalbane, the commander referred to, had only one brother (Colin Campbell of Carwin, 1763-92, died unmarried without issue)[Burke's Peerage, p495], and nor was his wife a relation, so (most unusually) it is incorrect - as can also be seen from the ancestry table I have drawn up. The closest relationship I can find between the two men is a common descent from Colin Campbell of Ardkinglass (fl 1630s), their mutual great-great-great-great-grandfather, making them 5th cousins. So I have reverted the edit. Fillthemill (talk) 20:41, 27 March 2015 (UTC)fillthemill

Good work on filling out the long citations, and the addition of citations to the ancestry tree. I will look further at the points you have raised (but it is not unusual for the DNB to be wrong (see Apocryphal biographies in the Dictionary of National Biography for some spectacular examples) and there are also, but less often errors in the ODNB. For the moment you will see that now that you have provided more information on the sources, I have bee able to alter the link between the short an long citations to use the more usual format of author and year.

I am not sure what you mean by "Stephens & Fraser 2008 see under Henry, Earl of Mulgrave and Sir Eric Phipps". Pleas could you explain further here on the talk page.

--PBS (talk) 00:35, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I've solved the mystery of the uncle commanding the Breadalbane Fencibles. Not the marquess, who commanded the regiment, but another clansman, and Sir Colin's maternal uncle, Sir Alexander Campbell, 1st Baronet, who commanded the third battalion of the fencibles, which the young Colin Campbell joined. I've also amended the Burke's Peerage reference, as Charles Mosley was just one of a long line of editors of the work, rather than its author.Fillthemill (talk) 21:36, 31 March 2015 (UTC)fillthemill

We still do not have it correct. It was neither John Campbell, 1st Marquess of Breadalbane or Sir Alexander Campbell, 1st Baronet. There are two separate sources that state in was a John Campbell of Achalader. See List of British fencible regiments#Scottish fencibles in which it is stated that "Lieutenant-Colonel John Campbell of Achallader" was commander of the Third Battalion (Scobie 1914, p. 356). In the source you have cited it states on page 22 "[He] received his commission as Lieutenant in the 3rd Battalion of Breadalbane Fencibles, then quatered at Ayr, and commanded by his uncle, his mother's eldest brother, Colonel John Campbell, of Achalader. We know from the ODNB that his mother was "Colina, daughter of John Campbell of Achalader". Currently there is no article on either the father or his eldest son (Colina's brother). -- PBS (talk) 01:47, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

@Fillthemill if you still have access to Bromley (2011), please fill in the missing page numbers. -- PBS (talk) 02:04, 2 April 2015 (UTC)