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Requested move 28 February 2023

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was:

The majority of this discussion pertained to St Edward's Crown, and led to a solid consensus that "St Edward's Crown" is the WP:COMMONNAME of that crown. By contrast, Christian V's Crown received a much smaller share of the discussion. The nominator's WP:CONSISTENT argument appears to have persuaded some editors, and the only opponent of moving Christian V's Crown didn't provide a rationale for that opposition, so I find a consensus to move that article as proposed. (non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite (talkcontribs) 15:01, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]


– Per WP:CONSISTENT; these are the only two articles that are titled using the format "NAME's crown" with the other 27 being titled "Crown of NAME":

  1. Crown of Augustus III of Poland
  2. Crown of Augustus II the Strong
  3. Crown of Bahadur Shah II
  4. Crown of Bolesław I the Brave
  5. Crown of Charlemagne
  6. Crown of Christian IV
  7. Crown of Empress Eugénie
  8. Crown of Eric XIV
  9. Crown of Faustin I
  10. Crown of Frederick I of Prussia
  11. Crown of João VI
  12. Crown of Louis XV of France
  13. Crown of Napoleon
  14. Crown of Napoleon III
  15. Crown of Pedro I
  16. Crown of Princess Blanche
  17. Crown of Queen Adelaide
  18. Crown of Queen Alexandra
  19. Crown of Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother
  20. Crown of Queen Maria Josepha
  21. Crown of Queen Mary
  22. Crown of Ranavalona III
  23. Crown of Saint Wenceslas
  24. Crown of Sancho IV
  25. Crown of Stephen Bocskai
  26. Crown of Wilhelm II
  27. Crown of Zvonimir

Crown of St Edward is also the WP:COMMONNAME, per ngrams; Crown of Christian V is too obscure to determine the common name. BilledMammal (talk) 03:14, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose both (strongly for the second) - St Edward's Crown a simple Google Search yields 52,500 results for "Crown of St Edward" [10] and 157,000 results for "St Edward's Crown" [11]. And as said by others, it is also the official name not just the common name, and there is no reason for a move. Estar8806 (talk) 13:45, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support both, strongly support the first - It looks that WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONSISTENT are at odds with each other in this case. I would argue that even if "St. Edward's Crown" is the more common usage, "Crown of" is still a commonly understood and not inaccurate synonym, and the benefits of keeping this genre of articles consistent outweighs using a less used variation on the name. That being said, if there is some evidence towards "St. Edward's Crown" being a more officially named artifact, rather than just the more widely used variation, I would support keeping that as is. Aquova (talk) 20:03, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not how WP:COMMONNAME works; whatever name is 'more' common must be chosen as the article's title. Some users go to great lengths to remind us of this rule, so I thought it was necessary to repeat it. That alone overrides WP:TITLECON, which encourages consistency unless there's a good reason for a page to be titled with a different format. Well, the good reason here is that the most common name for St Edward's crown is "St Edward's Crown". And since you asked, St Edward's Crown is the official name of this artifact. You only need to look at the Royal Collection Trust's website and other official resources. Both independent and non-independent sources favor the current title. Keivan.fTalk 20:55, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "Crown of St Edward": WP:COMMONNAME trumps consistency. The ngram is obviously faulty to find no cases of a form that, as various users have noted, appears in a wide range of sources (I guess it's having some sort of problem with the apostrophe?). Google is only a tool, not an oracle. Furius (talk) 22:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral on 1st, Oppose 2nd per very clear WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:40, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.