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A fact from Danton Barto appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 October 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the University of Memphis football team posthumously retired Danton Barto's number following an online petition?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Danton Barto.

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 15:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that despite still being the Memphis Tigers' all-time leading tackler over 30 years after his college career ended, Danton Barto never made it to the NFL?~~

Source: https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/college/memphis-tigers/2022/09/24/memphis-football-to-retire-danton-barto-jersey/69515538007/

ALT1: ~~... that American football player Danton Barto played for the Tigers, Mad Dogs, and Coyotes and coached the Wolves?~~

Source: Tigers, Mad Dogs and Coyotes, Wolves

ALT2: ~~... that within two years, American football coach Danton Barto both led his team to a league championship and witnessed them folding?~~

Sources: championship, folding

ALT3: ... that the University of Memphis football team posthumously retired Danton Barto's number, following a Change.org petition?

Source: [1]

- Reviewed:

Created by WikiOriginal-9 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: The hook uses despite, which is a word to watch per MOS:EDITORIAL. Being a school's leading tackler doesn't necessarily imply one is destined to be an NFL player. Also the hook says he's still the leading tackler "over 30 years" later, but his career ended in 1993, and the WP article says "As of 2022" i.e. less than 30 years. There's also no explicit sourced statement in the article that he didn't play in the NFL. —Bagumba (talk) 15:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Somehow, Barto never played in an NFL game. When he remained unsigned in the fall of 1994, I hung up my scout’s hat for good. I’ve since seen vastly inferior players line up behind a defensive line on fall Sundays. At the very least, Barto would have been a special-teams killer in the pro ranks." ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But it seems to be that one reporter's opinion: When he remained unsigned in the fall of 1994, I hung up my scout’s hat for good.. So if it were to be added to the WP page, it would seem to need WP:INTEXT attribution, but is this opinion all that notable for inclusion?—Bagumba (talk) 17:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure. I couldn't find a 2024 media guide to make the other thing over 30 years anyway. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added an alt. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@WikiOriginal-9: I think many readers might just think it's a mundane team history roll call, although you might subtly be trying to make a point about the actual names. How about incorporating the tackles record with the petition to retire his number posthumously?[2]—Bagumba (talk) 04:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The team names hook is because they're all canines. Not sure how to write the petition hook. The source doesn't say that's why the number was retired. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added another alt (props to BeanieFan11). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba: Added an alt. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@WikiOriginal-9:: ALT3's 29 years after his career should be qualified as "college career" or similar. I'd still find the posthumous angle slightly more interesting than X number of years, but can respect if you don't want to go down that road.—Bagumba (talk) 10:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I revised alt 3. Do you think that is okay or is the end awkward? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 11:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@WikiOriginal-9: I'd change to "... posthumously retired ~~the number of~~ Danton Barto's number ~~29 years after his college career~~, following a Change.org petition", but I'm ok if you want the 29 years—just seems a little winded.—Bagumba (talk) 19:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Revised. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Approved ALT3, cited and interesting. Copyeditors better than me can decide if the comma before following is needed.—Bagumba (talk) 06:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]