Talk:Dark side (Star Wars)

Cruft, anyone?

This article needs citation, and badly. I would hate to have to begin removing unreferenced statements, as I think it would leave the article an essentially empty page. Therefore, we should wait about a week, to see if some citation work (remember, reliable, verifiable, non-OR references, please) begins making its way into the article. If the article doesn't get more citable, we will have to start removing uncited statements. - Arcayne(^{cast a spell}) 16:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

i agree with arcayne. this article needs some sitation. i also have a bone to pick with the theory that "the dark side is evil". while the dark sid may be mostly used for evil, it can also be used for good. while it is against the orders code to tamper with life, or even harm one with the force, it is often overlooked that many jedi (like kyle katarn or jolee bindo) are able to use the dark side without fear of turning. these jedi are referred to as "grey jedi". someone, anyone, add that... plz! cobrakingofsw

Just an update. on the 16th of this month, I will be removing any uncited material remaining in this article. If you have citations to add to this article, now is the time to be adding them. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 04:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

As noted above, a major purge of uncited, crufty-as-hell info was removed from the article. Only cited information can be re-added. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 07:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Expanded Universe

Since Star Wars is composed of multiple media (films, novels, video games, newspaper comics, comic books), it might be helpful to distinguish the contributions of each of these media to the understanding, development and evolution of the Sith and the Dark Side of the Force. I am aware that canonicity is going to color these views, and we should probably note that outside of the films, nothing is canon (which certainly affects its notability). As there are people who actively identify themselves as Jedi, and there have been philosophy classes developed to discuss this mythological religion, there might be substantial information to be found on the Dark Side of the Force. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arcayne (talk • contribs) 10:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge with The Force (Star Wars)

I propose that we merge this article with The Force (Star Wars) because there is a fair amount of redundancy and there's not enough distinct info to justify two separate articles. Any thoughts? Nizamarain 19:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Light side?

AFAIK there is no mention of the term "light side" in the Star Wars. However, in Episode VI, Luke Skywalker is talking to Lea about their father:

"I can save him. I can turn him back... to the good side" (1:17:30)

Maybe the term "good side" should be used instead of "light side"?

Update: it could be that he is not talking about the Force though... :)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.210.233.156 (talk) 23:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that, in the absence of Lucas sitting us all down around the campfire and answering it all for us, that the terms are going to remain somewhat ambiguous. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 18:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Vader being Lukes Father

What is the reason for adding this to "Dark Side" page? Is this information irrelevant and touching on spoiler material? I mean everyone knows Luke’s father is, but if someone were reading up on The Force it will either give him or her superfluous information or inform them of plot details they might not want to see.I will remove this point, please if you are the main author of this page and it ticks you off think, does this information pertain to the Dark side? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.72.54.162 (talk) 14:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia contains spoilers. oknazevad (talk) 21:39, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Cheating Death

In fact, Sidious does demonstrate this power, unlocking its secret with Vader's collaboration as promised. The claim was that Darth Plagueis could save the ones he cared about from dying. Sidious does just this, preserving Vader's dismembered, charred husk from death. Vader's surgery and encasing in his life-supporting armor occurs simultaneously with the mysterious, medically inexplicable death of Padmé. While it is never explicitly stated, it seems that Padmé's life is stolen to preserve Vader from death.

Since this is never stated explicitly, I am reluctant to insert it into the article. On the other hand, I do not think Padmé's death is ever explicitly stated as a failure of the power of the Dark Side of the Force and, unless a strong objection can be made, I will edit it from the article. I welcome discussion on this topic before any changes are made, however. My own are based solely on the events of the films, supported by dialog, which I consider to have a higher standard of canonicity than novelizations. 74.83.14.59 (talk) 23:54, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Figurative meanings section dominated by POV of anti-Vietnam perspective

First of all, there were many historical and philosophical influences that went into the creation of Star Wars. As for historical - World War II and Nazi Germany was the principal aesthetic and thematic influence on George Lucas' depiction of the Galactic Empire. A republic turning into an empire has allusions to what happened in ancient Rome when Augustus transformed the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire with himself as Emperor for life. As for the theme of a rebellion against an empire, that has allusions to the American Revolution. I do not understand the significance, nor weight of anti-Vietnam sentiments in anything in Star Wars.--R-41 (talk) 05:47, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Anachronistic drivel. One of the results of living too long is you see shit like this. 72.228.190.243 (talk) 00:59, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

No "Light side"

"The Light Side" is a confabulation, albeit a common one and one that may have made it info some fanfic, there's no such thing, there's only the Jedi rendering of The Force and brand X, the subject of this article. Adjusted lede for this. The Jedi brand is implicitly good and x implicitly evil but that's a different splitting. 72.228.190.243 (talk) 10:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

merge

This article is essentially about the Force´s flip side. It´s not a different subject a tall. I think it shouldbe merged.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 00:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Moderately support - I think the current treatment is poor and in-universe. The notion, though, of "turning the dark side" has enough real-world traction that it might be most appropriate to just tear down the entire article and start over. --EEMIV (talk) 03:04, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

• Support. Lots of in-universe stuff to trim out, but it really isn't a separate subject. oknazevad (talk) 22:51, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
• Support: Light-side/Dark-side are viewpoints and concepts based on Jedi doctrine; i.e. they view it as addictive/corruptive. --Inyouchuu shoku (talk) 06:46, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
  • That's the sort of in-universe stuff I'm talking about. The reason for the merge has nothing to do with the in-universe links between the concepts, and everything to do with them being part of the same fictional construct. There's absolutely no real world separate notability. So we shouldn't have separate articles. oknazevad (talk) 11:25, 16 September 2015 (UTC)