Talk:Demián Bichir

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Actors and Filmmakers

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers (assessed as Low-importance).

Mexico Mid‑importance

	Mexico portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Mexico, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Mexico on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.MexicoWikipedia:WikiProject MexicoTemplate:WikiProject MexicoMexico articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Fair use rationale for Image:Sexopudorylagrimas.PNG

Image:Sexopudorylagrimas.PNG is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 03:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any Greek heritage as 3 of the Bichir brothers have Greek first names? Alexandros>Alejandro, Damon/Diamianos>Demian & Odysseus>Odiseo.121.222.7.3 (talk)

Lebanese ancestry

I can't find any evidence that Demián Bichir has Lebanese ancestry. It seems that his grandparents' surnames are "Bichir", "Batres", "Nájera", and "Botello". Wikipedia previously listed him as having Lebanese ancestry, which is probably where the internet claim came from. "Bichir" could perhaps be a Lebanese surname, but there are many people with the surname whose ancestry in Mexico goes back centuries, and is not Lebanese (i.e. see this). All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 23:51, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I wish I spoke Spanish or had a better grasp of Mexican databases -- I was looking and looking for reputable information about his Lebanese background but didn't come up with anything. I think it should be stripped as his mother's page lists her as being born in Mexico and I didn't seen anything else to point to the Arab background. Agree. Will fix right now. Thx. Erika BrillLyle (talk) 01:49, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Demián Bichir Nájera reconocido actor mexicano y ahora nominado a un premio Óscar, nación en la ciudad de Torreón, Coahuila, México el 1 de agosto de 1963. Proviene de una familia de origen libanés. Es hijo de Maricruz Nájera y de Alejandro Bichir, y hermano de Bruno Bichir y de Odiseo Bichir, ambos actores.[1] The most important sentence is "Proviene de una familia de origen libanés." translate from Spanish into English "Comes from a family of Lebanese origin."

I hope it is enough help for you. MaronitePride (talk) 00:12, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And here is another source:"Los tres son hijos del director de teatro Alejandro Bichir, de origen libanés, y la actriz Maricruz Nájera."[2] roughly translates "All three are children of theater director Alejandro Bichir, of Lebanese origin, and actress Maricruz Nájera." It means the father Alejandro Bichir is of Lebanese descent, but the mother is of probably Mexican (Spanish descent).

MaronitePride (talk) 00:21, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

These are just bios that copy each other. The Lebanese statement was listed on both the English-language and the Spanish-language Wikipedia (here) for a long time, and that's probably where they all got it. It doesn't look like any of the Bichirs have ever stated that they have Lebanese ancestry/or that their grandfather (?) was Lebanese. Typically, that sort of information could be mentioned fairly often, i.e. Salma Hayek. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 00:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Demián Bichir. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive http://www.webcitation.org/6DZOQ92zN?url=http%3A%2F%2Foscar.go.com%2Fnominees to http://oscar.go.com/nominees

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 16:52, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Demián Bichir

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Demián Bichir's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "BichirCast":

From Chaos Walking (film): N'Duka, Amanda (August 3, 2017). "Demian Bichir Joins Lionsgate's 'Chaos Walking'". Deadline. Retrieved August 14, 2017.
From Alien: Covenant: Galuppo, Mia (February 22, 2016). "Demian Bichir Joins Ridley Scott's 'Alien: Covenant'". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved February 24, 2016.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:16, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

pronunciation of proper nouns (names) Demián

Both what is at Help:IPA/Spanish and Spanish phonology is sourced amd correct. It is actually you that don’t want to give up your own personal convictions (He pronounces his name with an N, regardless what follows it.—how do you even know that? And still, we transcribe standard pronunciation, not how he pronounces it). Mind WP:3RR and do not undo my edits unless you have reliable sources stating otherwise, or I will report you to the Administrators’ noticeboard. I have been through editions like yours too many times and I’m tired of getting involved in edit wars with stubborn people. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 16:17, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

n as m? Do you even speak Spanish? Where did you get such a ridiculous idea? The name ~~Damian~~ Demián ends with open lips, not a labial sound. Show any source of that pronunciation besides a wiki page.

Oh you got me, I am guilty of reverting malicious vandals on a movie page! GalantFan (talk) 17:20, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alright.

Do YOU even speak Spanish? ’Cause I do, and I know that is a common feature of several Romance languages (I am a native speaker of two and learned other two of them, besides taking interests in phonetics and phonology). Either way, it should not really be about whether I am a speaker or not, as native speakers often do not realize certain phonological rules of their language, since they automatically apply them.
The actual source is not the wiki page, as you should know, but the citations from reliable essays by professionals who studied the topic. Ever wondered why within a word ⟨n⟩ is never followed by ⟨b⟩ or ⟨p⟩, the only nasal that can be spelled before them being ⟨m⟩? Would you even think of pronouncing campo as [ˈkanpo]? A bilabial stop after a bilabial nasal. And guess what, the same thing applies with two words in succession. Not so ridiculous, huh?
So I am the malicious vandal here, right? 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 18:20, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot: why don’t you provide proper references for what you are talking, instead? 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 18:21, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And I didn’t even see you are so knowledgeable about Spanish, instead, that you even misspelled Demián as Damian. Congrats. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 18:26, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I grew up bilingual with Mexican Spanish. Damián with an a is very common for Mexicans. My own name ends with n followed by P which according to wiki should be pronounced ...m P.... Which is as ridiculous as Demiám. Demián Bichir is also Mexican Spanish, not European. GalantFan (talk) 21:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This proves my point about natives who are not experts. Very sorry that you don’t understand after all the explanations. And that you didn’t reply to all of my questions. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 22:00, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here are references. Youtube watch?v=Q-hIW_NLrRQ

Youtube watch?v=8JfCJ6hjhpY?t=5

There is nothing expert about colloquially slurring the pronunciation of words together.GalantFan (talk) 22:29, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In a slow pronunciation that carefully separates words, as the one in the first video (I won’t even comment the second, where Damián is in isolation), it is obvious that ⟨n⟩ is pronounced as it is spelled, but we state that already in the note I put to pointlessly try and make you stop.

It’s not ‘slurring together’, as I tried to explain from my very first edit summary, it is called assimilation and it is recognized as a standard feature of countless languages. But you clearly believe to be a better phonologist than actual phonologists who spent their whole life analyzing topics like this. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 07:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you still are not convinced (as I’m guessing), you may try open to a discussion at the proper pages (Talk:Spanish phonology or Help talk:IPA/Spanish), possibly providing sourced (academic) material for your claims, if you can find any. So you’ll see I’m not acting stubborn just for the sake of it. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話（ｔａｌｋ）） 07:46, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Youtube isn't a proper source, but those cited on Spanish phonology are. Please WP:DROPTHESTICK and leave the transcription with [m] alone. If you have a problem with it, the correct place to discuss this is Help talk:IPA/Spanish. There's nothing "colloquial" about that transcription, it's standard Spanish. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 08:30, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]