Talk:Djent

Article rewritten.

Nekros729 (talk) 00:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Origins of Djent

There seems to be disagreement about how djent began. Djent started on www.tandjent.com/meshforum around 2005 when Bulb, Chimp Spanner, Vildhjarta, TesseracT, and Fellsilent all started uploading clips. Both the website and the named bands need to be reflected in the article. 94.245.127.15

meshuggah is the first djent band, invented the genre in 1995 therefore you are wronf and that website is not a reliable source so you would need a reliable media source promoting that website to get it on here Syxxpackid420 (talk) 20:40, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Of course Meshuggah is a common source of djent inspiration. They're still not the whole djent scene though, and certainly not the band that led the "modern djent scene" with roots in home recording. However, tandjent.com/meshforum is where all the bands mentioned in the article started posting their material. Is got-djent a reputable website in your opinion? Ask all of the moderators there, or better yet ask the bands themselves. In fact, you can start by asking me since I'm personally acquaninted with all of the bands (and got-djent moderators). 94.245.127.15

I doubt its a reliable source if pushed, I'm no expert every source I use tends to be pushed back as unreliable. The bands themselves certainly would not be considered reliable. I would say be bold and do the edits to be honest, the bands will need wikipedia articles to be sourced here however Syxxpackid420 (talk) 23:10, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I understand what you mean. In this case I don't think there's an issue with whether Meshforum is reliable or not since it's not making a "claim", it's simply the website where all the bands started posting their clips. Most of the posts are still there even (the mp3 links might not work anymore though). The oldest clip posts made by Acle, Bulb, ChimpSpanner, John Browne, and Seyd are what later turned into Tesseract, Periphery, ChimpSpanner, Fellsilent/Monuments, and Vildhjarta. 94.245.127.15

There is also some controversy as to whether Djent as actually a (Legit) genre. Many people as fans (sevenstring.org, etc.), and the actual bands, are slightly offended of djent being considered a genre. as when it was originally coined by Fredrik Thoredenal, it is simply an onomatopoeia. Even bulb (mansoor), said his style was "djenty", not that he "played djent". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.17.200.191 (talk) 00:58, 19

Djent only began around 2004-2005, Meshuggah was considered progressive metal back in the 1990s, the term "djent" was coined by Fredrik Thordendal around early to mid 2000s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.159.24.169 (talk) 14:52, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Clawfinger's song "Burn In Hell", off their 2001 album "A Whole Lot Of Nothing", seems to showcase the djent guitar playing style and tone. RadiumMetal (talk) 21:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, djent bands started posting their clips on the internet back in 2005, but progressive metal only evolved itself back in 2007/2008 at the same time when djent was first considered a genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Npgust (talk • contribs) 04:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Djent is not a genre. It is progressive metal whomever wrote this article about it being a "sub-genre" is really just trying to push the issue when every supposed "djent" band already said they are not a djent-band. Periphery a well-known progressive metal band who uses the djent-like sound in their music literally just released a new album called "djent is not a genre". The references used in this article are only opinions of a single persons blog there not a single reference that shows a majority consensus. I honestly do not know how this article is still up. 76.29.160.157 (talk) 13:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Influences

Those subgenres listed in the 'stylistic origins' section are probably the main sources of the movement's development, but is it worth including a section describing the range of stylistic influences incorporated by different bands? E.g. Some are more heavily influenced by metalcore/deathcore than others, some veer towards tech-death, some may be classed as post-hardcore and industrial, etc. It just seems to me that there's too much variety within the movement to sum it up so simplistically.86.150.137.196 (talk) 00:28, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Abuse

This article seems to be quite prone to people adding links and references for promotional purposes. Is there anything that can be done about this, except for continuously reverting these edits? 157.193.252.39 (talk) 09:44, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Nothing much I'm afraid. Wikipedia allows everyone to edit articles, even anonymous IP addresses; and there lies an indication of the trouble - articles like this one that can be contentious, or where people have a promotional vested interest to push, will largely tend to be edited under anonymous IP addresses, as a kind of hit-and-run. If the abuse is regular, and is vandalism, the page can be protected for a while, but I don't detect vandalism here, only blatant conflict of interest from a non-neutral position. If you feel a special concern for this article, put it into your watch list and check back when it's flagged up as having been edited - you will need to establish a user page for this, in which case you might as well have a user name. If you find blatant promotion, be bold and remove it - but leave the reason for the removal in the edit summary, and maybe on this talk page as well - something like: "Removed blatant promotional link to URL-name". Acabashi (talk) 19:07, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Classification

I'm getting a tad concerned about how these djent bands are classified. I mean it's all subjective, but just because a band is Meshuggah influenced or uses a similar guitar tone, that doesn't make them a djent band, i.e. part of the djent scene. I mean, certain bands are getting really irritated that they're being labelled as djent when they don't associate with the scene. Gojira even asked to be taken off got-djent.com I believe. There are some kids who are calling bands like Fear Factory and Deftones djent now. Admittedly they're probably just sceners who know nothing about genres, but that's still just stupid.86.162.56.29 (talk) 01:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Cultural origins

I'm not sure it's necessarily correct to narrow djent's development down to a handful of specific countries. It's more accurate to say that Djent was developed worldwide via the internet.109.154.140.157 (talk) 06:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

It should also be mentioned that solo artists using home recording setups, like Chimp Spanner and Cloud Kicker are a big part of the development of the genre. Mason092 (talk) 02:59, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Style

I propose this section:

The snare drum usually maintains a 4/4 pulse with a strong accent on the first beat of the bar. During the main riffs of the song, the bass drum follows the rhythmic patterns of the guitar playing, giving a heavy, powerful accent to the rhythms, which is important as Djent is a very rhythm based genre.

be changed to:

The snare drum's accent is mainly on the 3rd beat of the bar, while hi-hat or some other cymbal maintains a steady 4/4 beat. During the main riffs of the song, the bass drum follows the odd signature rhythmic patterns of the guitar playing, giving a heavy, powerful accent to the rhythms, which is important as Djent is a very rhythm based genre. Because the hands are playing in straight 4/4, djent bands rightfully say their music is simple 4/4, or "at the core surprisingly simple".

Snelle Fjöll (talk) 20:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, there's also a distinct groove metal infleunce that is responsible for the "Djent" subgenre of progressive metal. Additionally, many bands use either ambient/atmospheric effects on the 3rd guitar, and the second guitar helps provide the "groove" feeling the way it overlaps heavy palm muting with the rythem guitar. Sometimes, melodic guitar soloing (or leads) are done overtop over palm muted djent riffs (example, first track of Periphery's This Time its Personal). Finally, there's the vocal delivery which tends to be closer to extreme prog but with a focus on soaring melodic melodies on the cleanly sung vocals. Although, not a part of Djent by definition, "Cynic" like experiment transistions occur. - James — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.81.94.72 (talk) 13:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

References

Shouldn't this be placed...

Shouldn't this be placed as a heavy metal subgenre? It's not there, and in the bottom, it says groups, which I find quite odd. Protest the Herp (talk) 17:29, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

It shouldn't be place in any genre, considering it ISN'T A GENRE 184.17.218.81 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC).

It is listed as a metal subgenre, I don't know what this first editor is referring to.--¿3family6 _contribs 13:59, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

An article about a sound, that doesn't have a sound sample in it?

I notice many articles in Wikipedia have sound sample (I think some even have short videos). So it seems this article should get a short demonstration of this 'djent' sound. In my opinion. --95.34.7.47 (talk) 17:57, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

That's a really great suggestion. The big problem is getting one that has no copyright restrictions. Otherwise, it needs to meet fair use guidelines, but this is less desirable. The best content should be available for free use.--¿3family6 _contribs 18:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

You can find many free releases on got-djent.com. Maybe something from there would be appropriate? I'm sure some of the musicians would agree to having their music used for this. Mason092 (talk)

That would be great. To make sure there are no hangups, the requesting editor should read about requesting copyright permission. The artist should fill out the declaration of consent. Hopefully this will work, it would be great if there was a sound file.--¿3family6 _contribs 13:59, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

I could email Vasja from RXYZYXR and ask him if we could use a clip from one of their songs. Their debut full-length LMNTS is free on got-djent. Any particular clips from their songs that you guys would suggest if I did get their permission? — Tha†emoover†here (talk) 00:21, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't really listen to djent at all, and have never heard of that band, so I don't know which song would be the best. Something that exemplifies the style would be good. Make sure, if you email the artist, be sure that they have a link to here, so that they can officially license a clip for Wikipedia.--¿3family6 _contribs 04:14, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Extreme Metal

Isn't Djent a form of extreme metal? There is nothing about extreme metal on this page. However, pretty much every Djent artist on this page either has extreme metal or a subgenre of extreme metal on this page, expecially the pioneers of Djent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.208.3.236 (talk) 03:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I would say that it is, but no reliable source has said so as yet. Perhaps as the style gets more exposure, this will be mentioned as an origin.--¿3family6 _contribs 21:36, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

List of bands that should be included if possible

- Fell Silent https://www.facebook.com/#!/fellsilent - Hacktivist https://www.facebook.com/#!/Hacktivistband — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.141.125 (talk) 18:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Mudvayne

Their first two albums don't sound too far from djent and it's even been described as math metal which now redirects to this article. I think it's a pretty good tag for an album like L.D. 50 which is not technical enough for progressive metal but too technical for nu metal or alternative metal. Thoughts?

Low gain?

Should it actually be high-gain in the onomatopoeia explanation in the first paragraph? Seems like it was that way in the previous versions. Perhaps someone made a little joke there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.89.123.42 (talk) 12:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

A lot of work to be done

There's a lot of work to be done here, especially in the development section. Anybody who wants to improve the article can start by finding usable sources on line. What we should aim for is a section which explains how the scene started online with Acle, Misha, Paul Ortiz etc, that Tesseract and Periphery made it (relatively) big which lead to the rapid growth of the scene. Hopefully that section can establish the connections between Tesseract, Monuments and Fellsilent and fit the role of Sikth in as well.

Fivebeans (talk) 05:19, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

last paragraph

the last paragraph of this page offers pitifully weak logic and pleads for recognition of this genre when the genre is already (unfortunately) recognized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.36.166.14 (talk) 05:40, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation

The current pronunciation listed is /ˈdʒɛnt/. I propose adding, in addition to the current pronunciation, /ˈʒɛnt/ (like the "je" in "Je ne sais quoi"). I've heard both pronunciations and use them interchangeably when pronouncing "djent". 72.242.143.140 (talk) 17:24, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Ok, look, if you don't know for sure, stop giving pronunciations, you're incorrect on both of your pronunciations. It's not an extra soft "j" like in the French word "je". And it's definitely not pronounced with the hard "d". I'll make this as simple as I can. My name is Jordan, pronounced just like Michael Jordan, with a "J". The "d" in djent is not emphasized, and it is pronounced "Jent" with the "J" being spoken just like the J in my name. Another example; take the word "Gentleman", now "Gent" for short (eg."Hello gents!") That is EXACTLY how the word Djent is pronounced. Just like the "Gent" in Gentleman. IT IS NOT "DUH-JENT"/D-JENT/DEE-JENT/ OR ZHENT. And there is not more than one accepted pronunciation for djent. It's either pronounced as I just explained or you will get clowned and sadly, hated on pretty hard by if you're speaking with someone who knows the proper way to pronounce the word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:245:C001:D9C2:8C1F:D701:114:6376 (talk) 08:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Pronunciation: DUH-jent Origin: THALL Meaning: ba-na-na-banana, pick-up-a-pancake — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.61.41.106 (talk) 23:08, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

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Mnemic

Under the part where it says development it names Mnemic as one of the early bands to use the style. Why then are they not listed under the part where it says list of artists? I was going to try to add them but then I remembered I have no idea how to actually do that so I just wanted to point that out. Do the job right (talk) 19:28, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

To add to article

To add to article: who coined the term "djent." 76.189.141.37 (talk) 04:54, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Sample of Djent

I've got a 1 minute long sample of a quite Djenty song I did for something else whose copyright status is fairly immaterial to me. Is there any interest in uploading it to use as an example, here?

I'm going to be doing similarly-long versions of other genres of metal, and possibly some folk and rock genres, as well. They'll be in the same boat, copyright-wise.

(Unfortunately, I was not able to record any with a shovel.) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 01:17, 5 August 2021 (UTC)